Are you implying that win10 is worse than win8?
Yea, I’d say Win10/11 is on the same good/shit cycle as always
Though whether Win12 breaks it and continues the shitty trend is highly likely at this point
Try to install windows 10 on hdd and see for yourself, Linux works fine no matter which device it’s loaded from, windows before 10 did too
Why would you install Windows 10 on a hard drive? If your computer is that old, you want 7 or XP
Windows philosophy is that it comes pre-installed and should be used with recent hardware. You may think of that what you will (environment wise etc), but to me that’s a valid design choice to make, in principle.
Can confirm. Win 10 on hdd is torture.
I am missing something. Where else would you install Windows but the HDD? (I haven’t installed windows in 20 years so I don’t know)
I think they are talking HDD vs SSD.
An SSD ? It’s about disk speed. The HDDs speed limit make win 10 sluggish as hell. While not as bad, even Linux (mint) is starting to be affected by this.
The only thing I disagree with here is Win8 being apparently better than Win10.
Win8 was really damn annoying to use without a touchscreen, and while Win8.1 did help, Win10 was by far the better implementation of PC Metro IMO.
Having said that, Win11 is exactly where it needs to be. It’s all of Win10’s worst traits cranked up to 11 with a heaping of it’s own bullshit and spyware on top
Windows 10 should be a dead cat bounce on this chart. Better than 8, worse than 7, better than 11 by a lot.
Win8 was really damn annoying to use without a touchscreen
So many people say that but I actually liked the menu. It opened very fast and you could far more quickly find and hit the right tile than that stupid nested programs tree that was the norm in the start menus of earlier Windows versions.
I’d say considering that telemetry started to creep in primarily with Win 10, 8 was indeed better (meaning less bad).
Personally, I felt like Win8 was an over correction in favor of touch screens vs Win7. Win8.1 was kind of the sweet spot for getting touch screen functionality into Windows while maintaining a consistent UI between tablets, laptops, and desktops. So much so that I would consider it to be separate point on the chart between 8 and 10.
Win10 did improve the UI a bit over that, but was so much of a step backwards in basically every other regard that I do consider that the point at which Windows started trending consistently downwards. As in, Win10 should be lower then Win7 on that curve, with Win11 lower than that, and no real hope that any future updates or versions will ever improve anything.
This implies that Linux is rising but still worse than the worst windows os 🫣🫠🫤😴🤧🤮🥴
the graphs are separate, not superimposed. I agree it’s confusing
I feel like they should cross. For a long time Linux really was “worse” than Windows in the sense that you needed some computer knowledge and deal with incompatibilities with the OS that most people were using; both have gotten better in recent years and Windows has gotten worse, so for some use cases i’d say we could be at the point that the lines cross.
Written from my Mint laptop, absolutely perfect but i’ve only used it for internet and office so nothing fancy
Linux is so bad it’s worse than everything else even when others are enshittifying aggressively? Got it!
Very good, I’m happy to see you’re learning new stuff!
Over the years I’ve tried switching to Linux and it definitely was less user friendly. I think Mint has made huge strides and hopefully will be able to take over.
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Vista wasn’t that bad. The dodgy selling it on computers that couldn’t handle it was an issue (much like they still do with selling laptops with only 32gb storage).
I still think it was one of the nicest looking - black taskbar with the start button sticking up, sidebar widgets, aero glass etc
You’re absolutely right about this. 7 is basically a Vista service pack that got rebranded.
All of the “good stuff” people credit 7 with came in Vista.
It was never stable for me. I remember I had a laptop that would always refuse to shut down because “shutdown.exe” was running
Brutal
I think some of the biggest complaints about Vista were its poor driver support and over-active UAC. You couldn’t hardly do anything on the computer without UAC bugging you for permission when Vista first came out.
I remember the hardware situation being very fucked, due to driver authors not updating their shit in time and people trying to get their older stuff working which worked fine under XP, but was incompatible with Vista’s new driver model. It took a couple years until the release of 7 for most of those issues to get ironed out.
Win 10 was definitely an improvement over 8. I’d even argue that 10 as it started out was the best since xp. Of course now 10 has been fully enshitified but it used to be good.
8 wasn’t nearly as bad as people think, and there were big improvements to the kernel that make it a definite improvement over 7.
The problem for most people was the Start screen, which if you could get past, left you with what was a really good OS.
Less ads and telemetry than 10, too.
I’d even argue that 10 as it started out was the best since xp
How can you so batantly skip over Win 7? I’ve heard some argue 10 was better (it wasn’t) but that 7 >> XP was pretty undisputed.
All three are shit compared to Linux, of course (Arch btw).
I would agree that 10 was very good, but i could say similar things about windows 11 which in many ways performs better then 10.
And yet its shortly after upgrading to 11 that i switched to linux to never look back.
I think part of the logic in this meme is that it doesn’t matter how good the basic functions of the operating system are but what does is the design philosophy of the company. Loyalty in other systems decreased while Loyalty in windows gained.
Microsoft force feeding edge, onedrive, burrying the local account option till after the install with Microsoft account.
Randomly finding an update put a second weather widget on my taskbar that shows a different weather then the one in start. Taskbar icons that cant be closed, only hidden.
These things don’t affect the OS functionality in a big deal but its like i was in an abusive relationship that i finally got out of. No matter how much sweet talking and promises to do better i am not going back.
Relatively speaking yes, absolutely speaking, Windows bad
10 and 11 are waaaaaaaay better than 8. But meme is meme.
Maybe out of the box, but with classicshell 8 was better
my dad genuinely preferred Windows 8 with Classic Shell over Windows 7.
The software I run a 8 figure business with only works in windows and macs. Not a specific title but the software for an entire industry. Linux is nice but still a novelty in my world.
Same. Until Linux is supported by scada systems it will only be a service, non-hmi OS, in my world.
The sad part is a lot of modern SCADAs and DCSs are migrating or have already migrated to HTML, but using Microsoft technologies as core. 🤦♂️
What software is that? Is it something with a really heavy desktop client by nature (e.g CAD, video editing), or could it instead have a browser-based frontend?
Yes, CAD/CAM stuff like Catia, SW, mastercam, etc. It will take a lot of market share improvements to convince the developers to bother with a port. I’m no M$ fanboy, just no real production alternative.
So much grief caused by the widespread move from Unix to Windows in the industry sector. The Unix dwarves grew too greedy, their hardware platforms too niche… they unleashed the beast from the depths. An IBM-PC so powerful, it quashed their empires!
I really wish SW ran on Linux. That would get me to switch over entirely.
you can run sw 2022 and 2023 in some distros. https://github.com/cryinkfly/SOLIDWORKS-for-Linux
doesn’t work in mint tho, i tried.
How good does it run in the supported distros?
I reckon they might be using a lot of Windows specific libraries, making any porting a real pain in the ass. And when you’re in that space, unfortunately people just have to choose the OS that goes with their applications, not the other way around.
It’s literally easier to start an entirely new CAD/CAM project and make that cross-platform. Unfortunately, that’s a 7 or 8 figure proposition to get started as well (probably 8 for a polished product that can pull proper market share).
The colouring is shit, MacOS turns red at its peak. So, was it good or bad at that moment?
It was the best of OS, it was the worst of OS.
So good, it’s bad
Wasn’t 98 the precursor to ME? I thought 2000 was the server version (or something like that)?
Windows 2000 sold as both a server OS and a workstation OS, but there was no home edition of 2000. There was also no professional version of Me. It would probably be more accurate to say there were two separate paths of evolution that converged with XP.
NT -> 2000 -> XP
98 -> ME -> XPThough, XP is built off of the NT kernel, so you could also argue that the 9X line ended with ME.
Yep. In the beginning there were two threads of Windows garbage: Win NT (for companies, with NT kernel) and (MSDOS-based) Win 9x for peasants. Win 2000 was the “last” Win NT and Win Me was the last Win 9x.
That’s not 100% true as Me used something called “Real mode DOS” which limited the OS interactions with DOS and Windows XP was an evolution of the NT kernel, and all subsequent windowses come from that kernel (Vista, 7, 8, etc… and the Server variants).
Win Me was the “Mistake Edition” because it was half-baked, most of Microsoft was focusing by then on the next iteration of NT and they even didn’t ship to developers the Me version but rather Windows 2000.
And probably Windows Me was on the knowing about 9/11:
“System Restore suffered from a bug in the date-stamping functionality that could cause System Restore to incorrectly date-stamp snapshots that were taken after September 8, 2001. This could prevent System Restore from locating these snapshots and cause the system restore process to fail. Microsoft released an update to fix this problem.”
2000 was the first Windows with an NT kernel that was really usable on the desktop. Some may argue NT 4 but in 2000 almost everything worked as expected. XP was clearly better of course.
But you’re right - ME was actually a successor to 98 and XP was the joint successor to 2000 and ME.
Windows has commited a sin()
Why? Just cos.
Linux on the other hand gained a lot of exp()
Linux isn’t an upward curve, either. It mostly is, but those krackle-pops have to put a dent in the curve.
What happened to Mac os
Yeah, I’d say it’s the
bestleast horrible it’s ever beenApple sold out to OpenAI.
Win 10 wasn’t too bad
Then, why it has ads on start menu?
Never had any ads in 10 or 11
Nor did I. Considering it was an upgrade from Win 8 as well.
I think it might be American thing.
Yep, I configure it with English UK as the windows display language then adjust my settings based on my real needs.
And half of the settings moved from old control panel to a new crappy UI settings. At least commit and move all of them.
I never find what I am looking for in there, without opening and closing a bunch of windows. I swear they regularly move location of some settings. Search function is pretty bad too.
Oh they want to, but i bet that shit’s so intertwined that removing old audio menu will make your display output stop working.
If you dunno how to switch that off in 3 clicks you should probably stay away from computers mate lol
the ads in a paid os shouldn’t be a thing to begin with.
Agreed, but to say an operating system is so much worse because 3 clicks when comparing overall functionality seems highly exaggerated. There is a reason most companies went from 7 to 10 and skipped 8. They are also going to 11. You could argue that enterprise OS’s are separate though, but really they are very similar, and the reason windows does so well in companies is because most users have it at home. If most users go to something else at home, (or simply stop using home computers with the switch to phones, tablets) then enterprise will change and slowly feed the prominent OS for work back to home use. It’s a catch 22. If the standard user has to use something 40 hours a week at work, when they come home that is what they will be used to. Also what their kids will become used to. But companies don’t like to change what people are used to, as it slows production, and costs a lot more in training.
Yup, reasonable points.
But, it is 3 clicks for now, but it might not even be an option later on. Yea yea, doomer and tinfoilhats. :)
Yeah, definitely better than 8.
This is what I hear when Nazi apologists talk about Hitler
What’s so bad about win 11 as an OS? For me it’s the most stable windows. Of course the MS crap they want you to include is bs, but that’s not really the OS
Rule of thumb: If it’s included with an install where you’re clicking through the defaults, to the average user the distinction doesn’t matter, it’s part of the OS
It’s part of the OS? All of the telemetry, ads, and strange news thingy is a standard part of the OS - if you try to remove it, it’ll just get back with any updates.
So it is really the OS
it’s the same way ubuntu bad now, forcing snaps
So what you’re saying is that there has only ever been one Mac OS and one Linux OS?
How about adding some distros?
How about adding some distros?
I ain’t gonna stop you.
