Threads like this are good because they highlight the ignorance and the malice of people. Half of the people here have no idea who Marx is.
Yeah lets vote thirdparty instead to elect trump, amIright?
Let’s study some history first buddy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Marx
You forgot Mein Kampf.
Oh! I love Angela Davis!
That said, what a fucking weird world where she and Dick “Fuck You” Cheney are on the same side-- and somehow it’s still a toss-up election.
Ah, a Marxist who has taken actual lessons from past failings of those who adhere to the ideology. How refreshing.
“But genocide!” - Dude, it’s gonna be genocide either way. Voting for a third party or abstaining entirely isn’t going to change that.
But it could be a slightly less painful genocide if Kamala is in charge. Why not help make things marginally better?
Shame on you, you are complicit. You will go down in history as one of the person that supported this genocide.
Dude, it’s gonna be genocide either way
Help make things better and stop supporting the government and parties who are fueling the genocide
Good news! You will too! You are a member of a society that is all participating. Just because you pretend like you have better morals by not actually participating in a meaningful way doesn’t mean you aren’t complicit. If someone is about to be murdered and you don’t stop them because “you don’t want to get your hand dirty” then you made a choice to do nothing. Doing nothing (or meaningfully nothing) doesn’t keep you clean, it makes you complicit with anything that happens, not fighting against the worst possible outcome.
People who say “Kamela Harris supports genocide!” keep forgetting Trump literally put the Israeli Embassy in Jerusalem and wants to nuke everything…
I randomly remembered that Ben Shapiro claimed multiple times that radiation was a myth liberals made up to get people to not use nukes… These Right Wingers are crazy
The current vice president of usa is supporting a genocide and that’s a fact
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Israel_in_the_Israel–Hamas_war
Running for elections against someone who is even worst than you doesn’t magically make you less of a criminal, especially when you are supporting a genocide where dozen of kids are being murdered daily.
America supports genocide. The political situation there is just accidental.
I hope they pay one day.
The yanks are crazy. Fix your goddamn country. Every four years you pick between the carrot and the stick and then proceed with the exact same external policy. You guys sucks ass. The angry part of me hopes for a civil war in the US. After all the time you coup’ed foreign countries, it would be a nice find-out moment.
You’re a monster. “A slightly less painful genocide”? Do you hear yourself?
Some infinities are larger than others.
Most people prefer less genocide. It’s quite good for it to be scarce.
What about no genocide omg. Do you have a soul?
The reality is there are only two choices. Which will you choose?
The reality is that there are thousand of choices but propaganda makes you believe there’s only two. The world and society weren’t build by the red and blue party.
Aspirationally, of course there are more than two choices. Realistically, only two of those have a chance at success. The US electoral system has ensured this. The way to fix the system is to elect those who want to change it for the better, not those who wish to destroy it and all it stands for.
US libs value Americans© lifes more than us nonyanks. Well I’m ever asked the same question, I will not show any solidarity with them. I hope you guys get the civil war you started in so many foreign countries.
So no actual answer then?
Look I’d buy some nutella and spread it on the ballot. I want to pass a message but I’m classy like that.
Anyway nobody’s asking me lmao fix your goddamn country.
Nobody asks you to fix America, they asked you what choice you would make.
Here are the options:
-You can vote for a candidate that represents 10,000 people dying-You can vote for a candidate that represents 5,000 people dying
-You can abstain and guarantee that the candidate that represents 10,000 people dying wins.
These are your options. There are no other options. So maybe you value your own personal moral integrity more than the lives of 5,000 people, but any reasonable person will see that the second option is the only viable choice if you actually want to be decent.
edit: formating
That’s more of a general human trait than an American one. Yes, Americans are very fond of their exceptionalism, but valuing the lives of your own tribe and kin more than those of others is something most mammals share. I dont want war anywhere in the world. I hope you have a nice day.
Then please write your politician to tell them to force netanyahu to calm his tits.
My gf have friends in lebannon. She have friends from gaza. She hurts.
Please?
That’s exactly the problem, no one can force Netanyahu to do anything. He’s complety off his rocker. He’s doing everything to stay in power, because the moment he’s not, the courts will go after him. That’s why he’s trying to appease both those pushing for peace (Yes, I actually mean Biden here) and the warmongers (Israeli right wingers). Notice how he hasn’t gotten all the hostages back? That’s on purpose. The longer the war goes on, the better for him. Now, who do you rather want in the White House next year? A feeble old man who will go along with everything Bibi says? Or an experienced prosecutor who can put her foot down?
I’m sorry for your friends. They need to leave, now. If war came to my doorstep, that’s what I would do.
I’ve done so, Peter Welch is solidly against genocide and Bernie Sanders is trying congressional wizardry to try and cut off arms shipments.
It’s not my responsibility to fix your goddamn country. Stop supporting genocide.
Are you implying the USA has a functional democracy whose actions follow the will of the people?
Fair point
Not your responsibility? Oh, okay. Then feel free to refrain from contributing to the conversation.
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You okay?
People here are not in charge of the Israeli government you know.
Or you meant the Russo Ukrainian war? Well then I sure hope Kamala wins too.
What about the Uyghurs? Shal we vote thirdparty so donald can give a full go to China there too?
Lol. What a lot of effort it must be to project your preconceptions on some rando on the internet. How do you know I don’t give a shit? That seeing these things doesn’t hurt me to my core? What do you want me to do, go out and start murdering politicians? Sit down and think for a few minutes before writing your next comment.
If you want your heavily censored american-only echo-chamber there’s a website called reddit you could go to.
You sound upset, is everything okay?
If you only see the choices where you don’t sacrifice anything (between something prepared and served for you), you don’t have a choice.
“Slightly less painful genocide” will not even be slightly less painful. But people there sacrifice lives, while you won’t even sacrifice effort (and future efforts in court) to do something of a long list of actions which constitute political terrorism. You are not willing to even break law to defend people who are not being just abused, but murdered en masse in horrible ways.
Then you pretend with that cowardly logic that these are all choices you have, so you don’t even want to take responsibility for choosing the easy and safe path of doing nothing.
People on the internet will really be like ‘you believe in voting? that pales in effectiveness to my strategy, firebombing a Walmart’ and then not firebomb a Walmart.
Hey, I regularly do that… it usually happens after I’ve had too much taco bell but I leave those bathrooms looking like a war zone.
When people are getting firebombed by thousands in your name, you’d do well to at least dream day and night of firebombing anything near you.
you won’t even sacrifice effort (and future efforts in court) to do something of a long list of actions which constitute political terrorism. You are not willing to even break law to defend people who are not being just abused, but murdered en masse in horrible ways.
Big words for a small man on the internet. Do you have receipts from your actions? I’d love to see them.
You don’t know me. You don’t know what I have or have not done. Voting and direct action are not mutually exclusive.
Big words for a small man on the internet. Do you have receipts from your actions? I’d love to see them.
Pot calling the kettle black a bit ain’t ya.
I hope you do walk the walk to go along with your big talk, but take responsibility for your words too. Statements like yours gives people a reason to feel “good enough” about “slightly less genocide”. And if we all keep repeating the mantra “slightly less genocide”, we can feel “good enough” all the way to complete genocide.
Then we can all wear a big frown so everyone knows how upset we are about it.
Big words for a small man on the internet. Do you have receipts from your actions? I’d love to see them.
Not your business.
You don’t know me. You don’t know what I have or have not done. Voting and direct action are not mutually exclusive.
All I’ve said follows from your own comment.
Lol what a rebuttal!
Literally “no u”
But it could be a slightly less painful genocide if Kamala is in charge.
Are you joking? The situation is dire when people are patting themselves on the back for a “slightly less painful genocide” whatever the hell that means in practice.
It means genocide but the bombs have pride flags instead of American flags, so completely different and if you disagree you’re a Russian bot :3
It’s called accepting reality for what it is and doing your best with the plausible options available.
I.E. being an adult
The Adults In The Room are here to make Tough Decisions just like in muh TV slop and wouldn’t you know it, those Tough Decisions involve slaughtering the poor and vulnerable for the benefit of the rich. Anyone who thinks wanton slaughter of the poor is bad, actually, is just a Whiny Child who Doesn’t Understand muh Complexity and Nuance needs to Grow Up and Accept Reality, and anyway that’s why we need to Kill All The
JewsPalestinians.Grow a fucking spine. Or a conscience. Or both. Grow up and stop looking for a grown up to tell you how the world has to work.
I know some adults. They have a heart.
You do not.
People Who Say It Cannot Be Done Should Not Interrupt Those Who Are Doing It
Being an adult means shutting up and taking it. Got it.
No, it means recognizing a shitty situation and working to make it less shitty - the “I won’t vote for Harris because genocide” crowd are refusing to make a situation less shitty because they want the situation to not be shitty at all. Big problems don’t have easy solutions - in this case we can all see what a good action would be (stopping any offensive arms sales to Isreal) but the political situation is such that that’s not going to happen - we tried to make that happen and I’m deeply grateful to everyone who protested the DNC.
But, at the end of the day, Trump will accelerate the genocide. He’s the worst outcome.
“But when you reach that level,” nominee of one of the two major parties, “you have to be the face of capitalism, militarism, and neo-colonialism.” Harris, Fernandez warned, “has told us she will be that face, that she will build the most lethal military apparatus ever.”
Shit’s bleak
As dangerous as that reality is, however, she said, “There’s more to think about: Harris is not a fascist, and the other person running for president is.”
You forgot part of the quote.
I didn’t forget it, shit’s still bleak
The man who appointed Hitler wasn’t a fascist.
Naive to expect Americans to know this. Or that “the man who appointed Hitler” was, despite formalities, a military dictator, and that the political opposition there got its share of extrajudicial executions, and political violence was normalized there before any kind of election success of Nazis. People don’t like looking into details.
That the whole narrative of “good democracy turning fascist” in post-WWI Germany is bullshit - it wasn’t really democracy.
But it was similar to most of the “flawed democracies” on our planet in our time, for which the narrative is that it’s some new thing uncommon in history before USSR’s breakup. So that narrative was intended to divert attention from similarities between Weimar Germany and those very profitable (for corrupt western politicians) partners.
But getting back to your parallel, it’s correct. Kamala Harris is the “law & order & respectable establishment” type. She doesn’t even promise solutions to actual problems, only to some symptoms, and those solutions seem like making fun of the general population.
Yeah he got democratically elected after he sent the brown shirt to intimidate everybody else and burned the parliement /s
Well he was elected, but got power after they and the second party outlawed the third party, bumping hitler over 50%.
Get your facts right.
What
The guy who appointed Hitler as chancellor was the “lesser evil” who was “the only way to stop Hitler.”
Shit’s bleak
She’s someone I really want to deep dive, but I have never taken the time. Her monologue that begins at 1:24 minutes into this clip was my first exposure to her and I love that moment when you realize these awful examples she’s citing are not just awful in their own right, but that they drive home her undeniable point at the end, in response to what sounds like it was a bullshit question.
She’s lived a really full life. Even her Wikipedia page is a good overview. She’s the type of activist a lot of keyboard warriors would like to pretend they are.
Did the wiki happen to mention the Marin County courthouse?
Yes. A pretty detailed write up as well. Seems like an easy thing to look up.
Met Angela in the Haight. She was with Katie Cleaver, Eldrige’s wife. Amazing how one can quickly turn from helping murder people to a "political activist’. I don’t think I need to look it up,
She explicitly did not help murder people. She was literally acquitted. Maybe you do need to look it up.
I know what happened.
Then you should have just opened with calling her a murderer instead of your rather coy question about the courthouse, as if somehow that event would have been omitted when it’s a rather famous part of her history.
Yes, but then he couldn’t be here just asking questions.
Can I be here just asking questions?
The Venn diagram of the people who have an issue with this and the people who don’t care that David Duke supports Trump is a circle
Funnily enough, he seems to not even support Trump anymore, because hes supposedly just endorsed Jill Stein
How random, you 3 have very similar name structures.
Thing, type of, animal
I think Owlbears are actually one creature, its a monster from dnd or something like that. Not that it really changes the observation much I suppose, since mine’s referencing Ice-breathing dragons rather than ice and dragons separately anyway
No shit. I did find some reports confirming that, but none I trust enough to share.
NBC is reporting it, which makes it seem unlikely that it’s bullshit.
I could only find MSN aggregation of third rate sources (Times Now, The Spun, and Daily Beast).
Do you have a link?
Just gonna wait for the “Well actually…!” posts 🍿
Therefore it’s okay that we send billions in support of genocide. Don’t kid yourself, there will be no open space after your only leverage (your vote) is no longer needed. This is basic bargaining.
Waving around one person as an example of “one of the good ones” with this “real marxist” talk is disgusting. These slimebag politicians only care about your vote and you’ll see no change after the election, just like how Obama won and then continued most of Bush’s policies.
You remember Bush, right? The war criminal who led the country into two wars and the worst financial crisis since the great depression? Well he used to be the monster of the week, but now he’s best buds with the democrats and trump is the new monster of the week. I’m sick of this dog and pony show.
But you see this one Marxist endorsed Kamala, clearly everything she does (including genocide, cracking down on protests, increasing fracking, compromising with fascists, and further expanding capitalist tyranny) is for the good of the workers :3
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