Timothy Murray lost his father earlier this year and had been asking his principal for counseling when she called in the police
Data from Brownsville ISD seen by The Observer showed its officers made 3,102 student arrests between May 2021 and Nov. 2023. Nearly 60% of those were on felony charges and 76 of those kids were in elementary school.
what the fuck is going on over there
High-speed school-to-prison pipeline. Because inmates=free labour and prisons are for-profit. Gotta get 'em kidz institutionalized as early as possible!
It’s the conservative way. They hold these traditions sacred.
I suspect that being born from the wrong vagina is a crime for those people.
It just explains so many things: from their criminalization of abortion whilst taking State support away from poor single mothers to emprisioning kids who don’t have a mommy and daddy with the right connections or who can afford the kind of lawyer who would extract a massive compensations from everybody involved in putting a kid in prision like this.
Literally there’s an aspect of Evangelicalism and the “Prosperity Gospel” that portrays poor people as inherently sinful and evil, and it’s not just limited to those aspects of Christianity:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_views_on_poverty_and_wealth
Then you read the Bible and like almost all the references to the rich are negative and like where the heck do people even get this crap from.
Hippie socialist Jesus > Supply-Side Republican/Conservative Jesus
Any educated and intelligent person should see that the prosperity gospel is just greed promotion disguised as religious edicts.
I’ve run audio for maybe a dozen Prosperity gospel events over the course of my career… Those people are some of the scummiest people I’ve ever met in rl. The “preachers” usually have a group of thugs acting as security that will run interference for anyone that questions what they’re preaching. I’ve seen people get literally dragged out and then heard, after the fact, that the “security” team “taught them a lesson”. The crowd was shocked that someone was aggressively dragged out at “church” until the preacher spun the victim as someone with the devil in them, then everyone would be nodding their heads with a panicked look like “are we ok with this?.. I guess…”. Fucking surreal. Also, these people would try to dodge as many bills as they could. On several of the ones I did, the “church” stiffed the AV company I was working for on a $30k+ production.
Yeah I am actually really curious how they explain that, if anyone has a genuine answer.
There is so much talk in the Bible about riches and wealth and being rewarded for being a good Christian but my memory serves that it’s referencing the holy spirit or rather the relationship with God is rewarding in and of itself and that the riches and all that is in the afterlife.
And every time I recall it talking about wealth on earth it is vilified and you’re supposed to give it away. And of course there this famous quote
And Jesus said unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, It is hard for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of heaven. And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through a needle’s eye, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. Matthew 19:23-26
Anyway yeah I’m curious how people can teach this aspect of the Bible with such a contradicting incorrect interpretation. I argue that it’s a contradicting book in itself all the time but wealth is not one I recall. We have hated the wealthy for millenia lol
Pretty sure avoiding “being born from the wrong vagina” is a popular defense of abortion among liberals.
“It just explains so many things” When you’re a moron any description of a cause will suffice for the outcome.
I am pretty sure that body autonomy and a women being able to make her own choices about when to start a family are why we support a woman’s right to choose.
There is a multitude of reasons why people support abortion. One of the common arguments is that it is better to not exist than to be born poor or to parents that don’t want you (I.e literally the “born to the wrong vagina” argument). This is a widely supported belief and I would say that around 20 percent of pro-choice people I’ve debated (out of hundreds) use it as their primary argument.
Asserting that there is a single reason why people hold a position is absurd.
FYI bodily autonomy arguments have largely been abandoned in academic ethics, because there is just no existing right to bodily autonomy that is sufficiently strong, and we have no basis for arguing that there should be.
Absolutely Parents who do not want to have a baby should not be forced to carry one to term. It ain’t some angel that came down and inhabited the womb that should be laminted as lost.
Maybe that’s just because it makes sense to not want a massive amount of expenses in a life where they may have trouble taking care of themselves already.
You really act like it’s a bad thing to not have children if you can’t financially take care of them.
there is just no existing right to bodily autonomy that is sufficiently strong
What the fuck is this? Just stop posting.
Is this a bot designed to create an example of disjointed unintelligible thoughts?
Pretty sure […]
Followed by ignorant bollocks about what “those other people” supposedly think.
“It just explains so many things” When you’re a moron
Ah, it’s satire.
Well done!
I said a popular defence, not the only defence. Go to the abortiondebate or pro-choice subreddits and count how many people say that abortion is good on the basis of eliminating unwanted children.
Even better make a post asking if abortion is morally good (not just permissible, good) if the child would be born poor or the parents don’t want them. You will receive an overwhelmingly positive response, and you know it.
Nope.
People would at most say that of an embrio, not a child.
Unlike what the “every sperm is sacred” crowd thinks against all scientific evidence, a ball of cells with no brain activity is as much a child as a piece of human intestine, a toe or the cells flaking of your skin every minute of the day are: they’re all mindless bundles of cells which happen to have human DNA - organic things, not persons.
The non-morons who support abortion actually set a time limit on how late in the pregnancy it is legal to do an abortion exactly because having thought about it, they’re aware that a viable embrio will eventually transit from mindless bundle of cells with human DNA into person (though you need to be seriously undereducated to call a fetus at even that stage a “child”) and morality dictates that once it’s a person their life is sacred.
This is why in most civilized countries abortion is allowed up to 12 weeks: because before that tne embrio has no brain at all and is as much a person as a human toe or kidney, but once it does have some brain activity, whilst we don’t really know if and how much of a person that early in gestation it is, we chose to consider it as person just to be on the safe side hence with the right to live.
Only the ultra-simpleton crowd would think that the ball of indiferentiated human cells the size of a pea which is the embrio earlier in gestation is a child.
PS: The funny bit is that the people you’re criticizing have the same moral posture with regards to children as you do, the only difference being that they’re informed enough and have thought about it enough to know that an early gestation embrio is nowhere near the same as a child hence it makes no sense for the rights of the woman that carries said embrio to be suspended in favour of that mindless ball of cells.
The arguments of the anti-abort crowd really just boil down to “Because I’m too ignorant to understand that which has been known for over a century, other people must be thrown in jail”
This was what they found in other schools too. One specific location ( I can’t remember where) the dads formed a group to a) keep kids peaceful and b) because they were being sent to jail for schoolyard bs. It was a largely black school. If you want to look it up with the sad details my brain is providing. Sry
Yep. Also noticed that the principal that called the police and the DA refusing to drop the case have the same last name. Garza isn’t that rare of a last name, but it’s not exactly “Smith”, either. I’d bet good money those fuckers are related to each other.
Wait, that’s just slavery with extra steps!
Not “extra steps” but "plausible deniability"😉
Why ban slavery when we can evolve it?!?
what the fuck is going on over there
Brownsville is 94% Hispanic or Latino. This is Texas doing Texas shit.
Just republican shit.
Murica! Murica! Murica!
So much for that “stay in school” speech…
What % of those kids were assholes?
asshole doesn’t mean criminal
I’m just saying… you never had a kid in class that was years older then everyone else, not doing shit, disrupting class all the time, getting violent and ending up in jail for attempt murder just after leaving school? I had. I wish there was a way to get him out of school earlier. I would be a better environment for everyone. But there wasn’t so they had to deal with him till he was 18 yo. Then on the other hand if you let teachers kick kids out they will get lazy and start locking up children for anything like in Texas.
Do you know what solitary confinement is? It’s putting someone in a cell, likely without furniture, for lengthy periods of time (discounting an hour of exercise by themselves). The light never turns off. There is absolutely no stimulation whatsoever allowed. Other prisoners yell through the air ducts in the hopes that someone will yell back.
That environment is torture for an adult. This is a 10-year-old child.
You really think the general populace is safe for a 10-year old?
Solitary confinement sucks, but in many cases it’s done to protect individuals from, you know, the other extremely violent people.
How about not putting them in prison at all?
Then why the fixation on solitary confinement?
If your objection is on imprisonment then argue against that, not the specifics of a certain imprisonment.
So, to be clear, you support prison and solitary confinement for preteens?
Yes, and babies that cry too much.
If you’re trying to be funny, you’ve taken it too far. You should be yeeted into a Texas prison where you claim immature assholes belong, because this situation isn’t a fucking joke.
Holy shit lighten up. It’s not even the original poster, the sarcasm was very obviously implied with that comment.
Edit: nvm, I see now they are tag-teaming. Smells like trolls.
Are you for real? I’m seriously asking, because if you are, you need help.
Not in elementary school
Weird, in my case it was only in elementary school. High school was not mandatory so the disruptive kids simply didn’t go there.
Edit: Oh, just realized that you probably also have middle school. I didn’t. It was the same school from age 7 to 15. Education was mandatory till 18 or 16 yo so the school was stuck with all the stupid kids till then.
Ahhhh right, simple mistake to make. Middle school kids definitely deserve solitary confinement. Fucking what??
I hope that maybe you’re just ignorant to what “solitary confinement” means, but even then, you’re talking about locking children away in fucking prison for misbehaving in 6th grade art class. Get a grip.
Jesus, who’s talking about solitary confinement? Not even the original comment mentioned it. I definitely didn’t. Relax. It’s a shitty situation but getting angry about things you imagined is not going to save anyone.
If being an asshole was illegal Texas would be a prison.
They’re working on it…
Texas. The new Australia.
wtf is wrong with you?
Were you never an asshole as a kid? It’s part of growing up. We work to make them better, but arresting them does nothing worthwhile.
- Kids are kids. Asshole parents raise asshole adults.
76 arrests of elementary students? Does it really matter? I have a hard time believing any arrest is appropriate for that age
Shouldn’t matter. You don’t throw kids in jail just because they are assholes.
You’re making up 110% of them
Obviously the cops and prosecutors are real shitheads here, but I think some blame goes to a piece of shit principal who woukd call the police on an 11 year old.
The DA and Principal are likely related, same last name. I’d bet this isn’t the only incident between these two, with the principal setting up the targets and the DA knocking them down.
She also apparently called CPS on a different mother for questioning her special education program.
None of them should have any kind of power over others. If we ever manage to fix this system despite the dipshits that are trying to break it further, whether system comes next should have a specific focus on preventing people like this from getting power or keeping it if they manage to hide themselves until after they’ve gained power.
And also the stupid law that allows charges against children. Our system of kids under 14 not being “strafmündig” (criminally responsible) is often criticized and has other issues sometimes but at least it prevents shit like this
I’ve tried to understand what the charges are, as far as I could tell it seems it’s somehow related to an anti terrorist law and caused by the kid pulling someone’s hair and gesturing to cut paper with scissors, which was interpreted as gesturing to cut a finger.
The article seems to try very hard to obfuscate the actual reason (I’m guessing for legal reasons?)
In any case, this seems insane, seems like excessive overreaction from everyone involved.
its because there is no actual reason for it. they are still trying to document one
texas, you fuckin cowards.
The whole thing is weird.
His ordeal began five days later. In the late morning of September 8, Timothy was pulled out of music class and ushered into a room where he found Garza, Assistant Principal Michelle Saucedo, a district police officer, and a counselor sent from the district’s central administrative office. He was told another student had just reported that Timothy said he was planning to kill the principal. Rincon said she was called and rushed to the school but was not allowed to be in the room while Timothy was being questioned.
“When the police officer had his body cam off, they were yelling and telling me, ‘We’re gonna go to the full extent. We’re gonna put you in a lockbox,’” Timothy said. “Then, when the body cam was finally on, they were so nice.”
Timothy told me he had explained to the school and district officials that the accusations were not true, that the only conversation he had that morning was with two other boys about wearing his sweater over his uniform.
Rincon has received only a school conduct referral form, on which administrators wrote that “Timothy told another student that his hair was messy because he was up all night to come up with a plan to kill Mrs. Garza (principal).” Underneath, Timothy wrote: “No I was not up all night I just forgot [to comb my hair].”
On the bottom of the form, administrators had written: “OSS [out-of-school suspension] 3 days 9/11-9/13.”
https://www.texasobserver.org/why-was-this-11-year-old-honor-roll-student-put-in-solitary/
Not the point of this article/topic but why is law enforcement required to wear body cameras but they can turn them off whenever they want!? That’s asking for abuse! Unless they’re using the restroom (and even then I’d lean towards an independent reviewer deleting footage, if anyone). These are public servants on-the-clock! If there’s no enforcement, there’s no consequences to purposely deactivating the taxpayer-funded camera they’re supposed to be operating under…
So it started with a kid who made up a really tall tale, told it to an adult in the form of completely unsubstantiated hearsay, which the admins for some mysterious reason chose to belief. Those admins must be either stupid or malicious.
I’m leaning towards maliciousness, jealousy and spite as the most likely reasons for why this is happening.
I thought the same thing. Here’s the archived Texas Observer article on it, which is what this article’s source seems to be.
Apparently the principal heard from another student that this kid was “making threats” against her. Sounds pretty thin to me.
Unless the kid brained someone with a tee ball trophy, I categorize this penalty in the “extreme” category.
Texas, bruh.
Chief Wiggum : No Jury in the World is going to convict a baby…Maybe Texas
Is this a real line?
Yes, Season 7 episode 1
Data from Brownsville ISD seen by The Observer showed its officers made 3,102 student arrests between May 2021 and Nov. 2023. Nearly 60% of those were on felony charges and 76 of those kids were in elementary school.
What the everliving fuck is wrong with these people?
It’s Texas. They’ve NEVER been afraid of letting everyone know just how big of pieces of shit they are.
Everything’s bigger in Texas.
Its Texas lol. Our government prides itself on having no empathy or compassion whatsoever.
See the list of executed juvenile offenders before the federal government made it illegal:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_for_juveniles_in_the_United_States
Or the time the state was in contempt of court for years because they didn’t want to revise the excessively cruel CPS system.
That’s just absolutely fucking insane.
Despite being accused of ignoring Texas laws which require parental involvement before such interventions, Cameron County District Attorney Rene Garza told a hearing Wednesday that his office was gathering further evidence against Murray, rather than deciding to drop the charges.
If the law protects you, it will be ignored and the people who ignore it will face no consequences for their lawlessness. The law is for hurting you, and only laws that hurt you count.
i cant stop laughing at the idea of the grown ass adults asking a 10 year old boy if be wanted to hurt himself whilenin handcuffs so they put him in a turtle suit and solitary his ass
What kind of incompetent principal reacts to trouble making elementary schoolers by calling the cops on them?
This article:
https://www.texasobserver.org/why-was-this-11-year-old-honor-roll-student-put-in-solitary/
Should shed some light on the subject. Particularly:
Garza comes from a Brownsville education legacy. Her mother, Rachel Medina Ayala, was one of Brownsville Independent School District’s first female superintendents. Garza’s two sisters are also principals in the district.
So, in answer to your question:
What kind of incompetent principal reacts to trouble making elementary schoolers by calling the cops on them?
A nepotism hire with a vindictive streak.
Jesus Christ, I didn’t even know dynastic public school administrators was a thing…
The DA that’s refusing to drop charges shares the same last name.
This ain’t incompetence, this is a power trip. She also called CPS on a mother for questioning her special education needs program
Family of educators inspires women to follow dreams
Excuse me but what are those dreams exactly 🌚
Also, the interior of the photo in the second article looks posh, I wonder if it’s a school interior.
Also, the interior of the photo in the second article looks posh, I wonder if it’s a school interior.
I would guess it is Rachel Ayala’s dining room.
“So, when my daughters were young, all three of them, I would take them with me to school,” she said. “One of them would answer the phone, the other one would help me deliver textbooks, and the other one would help me do something else. So, they grew up there. … They’re just fantastic.”
Is this kinda… weird? I remember liking to help my dad out once in a while with simple tasks since I had to stay with him at work, but I don’t know how I’d feel about doing it every day.
I don’t know if I would say “weird”. I think it is unusual. Shouldn’t they have been going to class? Why was the principal in charge of delivering textbooks? How often do textbooks need to be delivered anyway?
The same that calls CPS on parents
Other parents have also complained to the outlet about the principal. One mother said that, after a meeting with Garza about her 5-year-old in which her own mom questioned the school’s special education plan for the boy, Garza called Child Protective Services on her.
Conservative ones. Conservatives should never be in a position of authority over others, especially children!
Garbage state.
And the liberals in the cities think texas is better than just about every other red state.
False. I’m a Liberal in a blue city and I think this state blows.
Most of us do, in fact.
Because you know them all right?
Obviously, Florida is better.
Florida is better and it’s sad Texan liberals can’t realize that.
It just goes to show how deluded they are.
This is the same detention center that had an employee who embezzled 1.2 million dollars worth of fajitas over the course of 9 years. He only got caught because he took the day off to go to a doctor’s appointment and a delivery of 800lbs of skirt steak showed up that no one else was expecting.
What I’m saying here is the Darrell B. Hester Juvenile Detention Center isn’t known for the fastidious oversight of its employees.
I’m not even mad. I’m impressed, that’s amazing.
The Fajita Bandit has become a bit of a local folk hero, partly because of how ridiculous the story is, and partly because (in retrospect) fajitas were more reasonably priced in Cameron County than they had any right to be.
What a hero. A modern day Robin Hood.
…. Wtf is some one gonna do with 800 pounds of fajita?
Sell it to local restaurants for less than the county paid for it.
Well thats just an entire chain of people that are so completely divorced from reality, common sense, and compassion, that humanity would only benefit from them being skimmed out of the gene pool.
People think Texas is the lone star state. The reality is that Texas is the one Star review state.
I think you are being very generous with that one star, lol.
The devs don’t let you give no stars. A design flaw, imo.
I mean, we have a lot of climate/agricultural diversity across the state as well as three cool, very progressive, large cities within a few hours of each other… I’d say it’s at least 2.5 stars
Is this your first experience with Texas?
Why are Texans so fragile
everything’s bigger in Texas!!1!
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Howdy Arabia is a police state hellscape. I cant wait for my parents to retire and move back up north so i never have to go back to that hellhole ever again.
One mother said that, after a meeting with Garza about her 5-year-old in which her own mom questioned the school’s special education plan for the boy, Garza called Child Protective Services on her.
Garza’s mom questioned it? Or the 5yr old’s? Or the mother of the 5yr old’s? Who is “her” referencing?
5-year-old, mom, and grandma showed up to the meeting with the principal. Grandma questioned the school’s special education plan. Principal called CPS on mom.
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You may want to reconsider your own reading comprehension.
One mother said that, after a meeting… in which her own mom questioned the school’s… [plans], Garza called Child Protective Services on her.
Who is her and her own mom?
It is not specified at all.
You also completely failed to address the question at hand. OP asked who the “her” in “her own mom” is referring to. Your modified sentence doesn’t even acknowledge the “her” in question.
Is there anything the Texas government ISN’T afraid of?
More guns. Apparently.
As long as the right people have them
This seems very strange, like it took place in a parallel universe or something.
America is a bit like a parallel universe
More like a whole parallel multiverse with how each state has its own set of quirks
