PARIS, Nov 27 (Reuters) - Six teenagers go on trial behind closed doors on Monday, accused of involvement in the beheading of French history teacher Samuel Paty by a suspected Islamist in 2020 in an attack that struck at the heart of the country’s secular values.
The teacher had shown his pupils cartoons of the Prophet Mohammad in a class on freedom of expression, angering a number of Muslim parents. Muslims believe that any depiction of the Prophet is blasphemous.
all religions are cancer. ALL. period. I can criticise any fanatic of any religion the same way I criticise the fanatics of the religion I grew up and was brainwashed to follow. I was able to leave. For some people it may be more difficult because of the situation in their country. However, the people who migrate in mostly atheistic west countries, they continue being fanatics by choice.
However, the people who migrate in mostly atheistic west countries, they continue being fanatics by choice.
There are Arabs who migrate to Europe because they’re not allowed not express their disbelief in their home countries.
yes, you’re very correct on that. I failed to write it in a way that gives space for exclusions. I wanted to write something like “from the people who migrate in mostly atheistic (or at least less religious) countries, when they continue being fanatics in their religion, then this decision is by choice”. Because they are now in a place that if they want to get rid of that culture, it is easier to do it.
Sure, there are people who migrate because they want to leave from the oppression they experience in their home countries and they decide to follow a completely different lifestyle but these are not the majority. But they surely exist.
Seems like a fair and reasonable response to a cartoon.
The religion of peace strikes again.
Religion of love!
Sad little cowards can’t live in a free world where people can have their own thoughts on belief.
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I prefer to use Ad Fontes site. I find it through most accurate source.
Seems like another valuable resource! Glad to have another source to help evaluate what I read.
Some of the “Overall Scores” from Ad Fontes seem odd to me, but still pretty good. I think most of the articles they evaluate are user-submitted, and that might skew their scores as it’s not a random sampling. I would choose to weigh articles in a differently, but that’s just my personal opinion and it doesn’t negate the benefit.
Specifically, I would point out the “Individual Content Sample Scores” vs the “Overall Score” for Al Jazeera as an oddity. https://adfontesmedia.com/al-jazeera-bias-and-reliability/ In my opinion, Al Jazeera has a lot of good reporting, but also has a strong bias that effects their overall credibility. I still like reading them, but I wish they would remain more focused on objective facts rather than opinion.
Good bot! I like this shit
Media Bias Fact Check is only considered “reliable” because people use it. The actual authors of the site lack any real credentials for evaluating factuality, nevermind bias.
i’d just like to comment on this comment section
since i’ve joined lemmy some months ago i’ve seen the nuanced discussion i was so relieved and happy to find here degrading. this section ilustrates that well. the nuanced and cautious are still there, but are being briganded against in a way i don’t think they were before
maybe i’m sounding like an “eternal september” elitist here, but i do like open discussions on the internet, with all the ugliness that’s bound to happen. i just really hope with all my heart that, in the midst of it all, the good things don’t go away
There is no nuanced discussion on this topic, as there is only 1 correct reaction, within which any degree of outrage is justified.
Well I think he or she is referring to the “all religion is bad” arguments that are nothing about this particular case, which I agree that there is only 1 correct reaction here which is condemning this act.
When you have a significant number of people on the internet that are here simply to poison dialogue “for the lulz” or whatever other bullshit reason they use, this is how it will always end up.
I like to use this discussions to expand my blocklist. They call themselves out rather unambiguously in this sort of topics.
I have so many people in my block list now, it’s ridiculous.
Lemmy turned into another reddit overnight when reddit killed third-party apps. On the one hand it makes it easier to ditch reddit entirely, but I do really miss what the community was in the years before that happened.
Agreed, but I still feel it’s better than Reddit. It depends on the instance and community, of course, but assholery is far less tolerated here. At least in my experience. I do miss the pre-Reddit exodus days, though.
Also, if you haven’t been on Reddit lately, it’s really bad now. Definitely worse than before.
Yea it’s really sad that this community didn’t have a long period of fewer interactions with higher quality comments. It regressed to the mean very quickly.
When I was in high school I screamed in the middle of biology class “those are not gonads, those are balls!”. I still feel bad about it because the teacher was so nice and I was a nightmare.
I feel a bit better.
upvoted solely because the timestamp, we should have that on all the news posts
This is the best summary I could come up with:
PARIS, Nov 27 (Reuters) - Six teenagers go on trial behind closed doors on Monday, accused of involvement in the beheading of French history teacher Samuel Paty by a suspected Islamist in 2020 in an attack that struck at the heart of the country’s secular values.
The teacher had shown his pupils cartoons of the Prophet Mohammad in a class on freedom of expression, angering a number of Muslim parents.
One of the minors is a 15-year-old girl who allegedly told her parents that Paty had shown caricatures of the prophet in her class.
Paty, 47, was killed outside his school in a Paris suburb by an 18-year-old assailant, born in Russia of Chechen origin, who was shot dead by police soon after the attack.
France is home to Europe’s largest Muslim minority and has suffered a wave of attacks by Islamist militants or their sympathisers in past years.
In the wake of Paty’s killing, some teachers acknowledged they censored themselves to avoid confrontation with pupils and parents over religion and free speech.
The original article contains 293 words, the summary contains 173 words. Saved 41%. I’m a bot and I’m open source!
Lotta fucing dumbasses in here, don’t bother…
*fucking
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Really don’t know what to make of this comments section. I feel like if this were the World News subreddit, this thread would have already been locked and about 90% of the commenters banned, either by the mods or the Reddit admins.
It’s surreal to see comments so hostile towards Islam, on Lemmy of all places… And some of these are arguments I often see racists throw around.
When some stupid religion that some asshole pedo made up makes some nutjobs to kill people, you can’t possibly expect people not to be hostile against it. Islam is a outdated, misogynistic, homophobic, xenophobic, violent and just downright harmful.
Jut like Christianity and Judaism.
yes! all of these religions are outdated and not suitable for the world we live in now. Islam is no better or worse than any of the other abrahamic religions, (can’t really speak on the others as I’m not as familiar). A lot of terrible people just use religion as an excuse to exert their will on others.
Iskam has never undergone a reformation process à la christianity, which is why present-day christianity is, on the whole, less bloodthirsty than it used to be and islam still is.
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How many beheadings have there been, versus the number of Muslim people who have ever lived?
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Last time I was at world news there were people calling refugees “hordes wanting to destroy our culture” and they had hundreds of upvotes
I was banned from the subreddit three years ago for criticizing Saudi Arabia’s treatment of women. Because apparently the line “and other states with strict interpretation of Sharia law” was considered bigotry.
Please, teach me how free speech is okay and murder wrong! Cpt. Obvious we need you now!
Maybe these people would be happier moving to a country where their religion is forced down from the government? Maybe go there?
You’re incompatible with western society so change or get the fuck out.
And before anyone jumps down my throat I’m speaking specifically of those who don’t accept that things like freedom of speech includes things they don’t like.
They are here to expand their religion, not for escaping their country or freedom of speech. They are using freedom of speech to make themselves a victim while expanding their religion in the back.
freedom of speech includes blatant disrespect of a religion you’re not a part of, got it
Yes, 100%.
I really can’t tell if you’re being serious. Just in case…
The prophet Muhammad was a real piece of shit etc etc etc.
See? I’m allowed to do that. Thankfully I live somewhere I don’t have to be in fear of saying things like that.
religion is a choice and that choice is killing people its ok to be disrespectful to public practicers of religion.
we should be laughing in their faces and mocking them because its embarassing
The part of that that breaks down is that one group’s interpretation of it being okay to kill people isn’t necessarily another person’s religious practice. Mocking the latter is like treating everyone who eats bacon like a psychopath who enjoys slaughtering animals.
And religion isn’t always a choice for everyone. It should be, but isn’t always.
religion is a choice for everyone no exceptions. treating someone eating bacon as a psychopath slaughtering animals isnt the same as bacon and animals are real, and the connection between the two can be studied. religious folk choose to believe something fake that cannot be studied or proved and people die for it. wars are fought over this fake garbage. meat doesnt cause wars (because the vegans are lacking the essential nutrients to fight back lol)
also i eat meat and you can call me a psychopath if you want. youre not entirely wrong officially the meat industry is terrible i just dont see me boycotting it causing a tangible change, and i like meat.
edit its important to add, anyone practicing religion gives the people that use religion to kill a platform and sets a precedent that its ok by not ostracizing them. christians like when people they don’t like are murdered. put any religion in place of christian it still works.
It was a class lesson on freedom of speech… oh gee.
In a way he was an amazing teacher
Islam is so touchy. Even pointing out Mohammed was a bandit and a pedophile gets them going and that is just straight facts anyone can get from reading about his life.
Religious extremists are the touchy ones. Plenty of Muslim folks who go on with their lives in peace.
I do agree that islamist extremists are the worst.
To be honest, the Nationalist Christians (Nat-C’s) that we have here at home are pretty fucking unsettling. They know that it’s their god-given right to be in charge of everything and they will “save” everyone by trying to force their twisted interpretation of religious texts onto the populace with zero compromise, because “that’s god’s plan”.
They’re just as bad as Islamic extremists; they’re just committing their violence in more official channels and in a slower fashion, up until the day that they manage to get an unshakable hold on power (read: establish a “theocratic” dictatorship, like the Republic of Gilead from Handmaid’s Tale, which they took as an aspirational goal instead of a cautionary story).
Religion ruins everything. Also here is a painting of Mohammed
Nothing to add, just thought a cock n balls would improve it, seeing as he was a pedo
