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    6 months ago

    Oh look, the thing we said Biden should’ve done from day one is effective. I’m sure all the ‘serious’ people that said you can’t just condition aid to Israel will apologise for being wrong and allowing for the murder of 20000 children.

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      Hey, I was one of those people, and I paid attention to polls. Israel has squandered a lot of good will, but Biden has to be very, very careful here because there’s still a lot of zionist democrats.

      And he is being careful.

      But as Israel does more genocidal things, they’ll lose more support, and Biden will be able to ramp up the pressure on them.

      All we’ve been saying, this whole time, is that Biden needs to do whatever he needs to do to get elected. Not what’s righteous. What’s practical.

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            22% of Democrats, 35% of Independents, and 58% of Republicans believe Israel is not committing genocide according to the newest poll linked above. It’s definitely mostly Republicans.

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              Yeah but Biden dgaf about Republicans because they will never in a million years vote for him

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        Biden needs to do whatever he needs to do to get elected.

        Up to and including supplying weapons and funding for a genocide? This position is morally reprehensible. I’m sympathetic to the argument that people should still vote for Biden for harm reduction, but suggesting Biden’s support for Israel’s genocide is justified because it helps him get elected is way over the line.

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            6 months ago

            Hyperbole to make it sound reasonable to do genocide for political expediency ^^^

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              It’s not hyperbole. That’s their end game. Read history. This is absolutely a rising fascist movement.

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        Biden has to be very, very careful here because there’s still a lot of zionist democrats… All we’ve been saying, this whole time, is that Biden needs to do whatever he needs to do to get elected. Not what’s righteous. What’s practical.

        Your post gives me “evil Jews and Zionists run the world” vibes. Does he really have to bow to Zionists to win an election or else?

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          He doesn’t have to bow to them, he just has to consider their wishes if he wants their vote, same as those who think Israel is run by genocidal maniacs.

          (which it is, for the record)

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            That would mean Biden has to compromise with genocidal maniacs without supporting genocide anymore… how does one do that? Yeah, what a pickle he is in.

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        If young adults consistently came out to vote, the government would pay attention to what they want.

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          Young adults voting in their first presidential in 2020: wins the DNC Georgia and thus the legislative majority

          libs in 2024: should have voted harder kiddo, get ignored because the genocide must go on. (Trump would totally genocide harder)

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            If you read that again, you will find it says “consistently.”

            IDK what to tell you if you don’t think Muslim bans, wanting Israel to finish the job, and threatening to nuke Iran over twitter isn’t going to exacerbate the situation. Good luck under the next admin, I guess, you’ll sure have shown me.