• Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.win
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    2 months ago

    there is popular support by a wide margin not just at home

    um, no. Reality check: Israel easily has majority support of the US population. Why neither party considers ending arms supply there a good policy to win election.

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      If the question is “do you support Israel”, yeah, but that’s not the question.

      At the same time, a bare majority of Americans (53%) agree on restricting military aid to Israel so it cannot use the aid toward military operations against Palestinians, similar to previous readings. Seven in 10 Democrats (68%) and more than half of Independents (54%) support restricting military aid to Israel, while the majority of Republicans (59%) oppose doing so.

      Combined, nearly two-thirds of Americans (64%) also say the United States should pressure Israel to accept a ceasefire, either with diplomacy (27%) or by reducing arms shipments (37%). However, three in 10 (29%) say the United States should continue arm shipments to Israel and not pressure it to accept a ceasefire at all. While the majority of Republicans say the United States should continue its arms shipments to Israel and not put any pressure on it (53%), nearly half of Democrats (47%) and a plurality of Independents (42%) say the United States should pressure Israel to accept a ceasefire by reducing its weapons transfers.

      https://globalaffairs.org/research/public-opinion-survey/americans-see-united-states-playing-positive-role-middle-east

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        2 months ago

        Your choice of statistics is misleading. A ceasefire is not an end. It is a temporary reprieve. In the same poll:

        Six in 10 Americans (60%) favor the United States supporting Israel militarily until the hostages are returned and about half (49%) favor such support until Hamas is dismantled.

        So unless the ceasefire results in Hamas disbanding, or more likely, all the hostages being released reality dictates a ceasefire is not ‘this ending’. America wants Hamas to lose like it or not.

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          It’s literally the question, unlike vague concepts of “supporting Israel militarily” until an ideology is disbanded (hello War on Terror).

          Proposals for a cease fire include releasing all the hostages. And for those that want to somehow accomplish the impossible task of dismantling an ideology, only half support it. Less than half to be precise. And those are mostly Republicans.

          Nearly seven in 10 Republicans (67%) favor supporting Israel until Hamas is dismantled, compared to only four in 10 Independents (44%) and Democrats (41%).

          Another way to say this is “a majority of Democrats and independents do not favor supporting Israel militarily until Hamas is dismantled”. Yeah, great factoid. One might even call it misleading to use it to indicate Democrats don’t support restricting arms.

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        2 months ago

        I support cutting the military budget by 90% so that doesn’t leave much room for giving away free shit.