I wonder if this will still hold true if Trump ends US support for Ukraine.

  • humanspiral@lemmy.ca
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    3
    arrow-down
    29
    ·
    4 days ago

    he said he expected the United States to “remain steadfast” in its support of Ukraine due to the strength of “bipartisan support” in the country.

    Ridiculous. President/cabinet can end war by itself.

    Ukraine accepted Russia’s peace plan early in the war. It was US loyalest puppy, Boris Johnson, that went to Kyiv to bribe and threaten Zelensky into backing out. Congress can’t stop Ukraine from accepting peace, and Europe was always going along with the war due to CIA cooption.

    • WestBromwich@feddit.ukOP
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      10
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      4 days ago

      Boris Johnson… went to Kyiv to bribe and threaten Zelensky into backing out

      What did he bribe/threaten Zelenskyy with? I thought what he said to Zelenskyy was “decide what you want, and the UK will support your decision either way”.

          • humanspiral@lemmy.ca
            link
            fedilink
            arrow-up
            2
            arrow-down
            7
            ·
            4 days ago

            It’s the only possible explanation for the blatant idiocy. I too have a wealth/health amount for which I am willing to suicide Ukraine.

            • WestBromwich@feddit.ukOP
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              5
              arrow-down
              1
              ·
              3 days ago

              In 2022 I think a lot of Ukrainians definitely did want to fight back and many people signed up for the military. They didn’t want Russia conquering their country.

              Wanting freedom from the dictator in Moscow is not idiotic.

              • humanspiral@lemmy.ca
                link
                fedilink
                arrow-up
                2
                arrow-down
                7
                ·
                3 days ago

                Ukraine rulership and nazi paramilitaries provoked the war. It is only nazi supremacist rulership/sentiment (very good at conscripting others) who can view it as reasonable to rule over regions they hate (Crimea and Donbas). There’s only one reason Ukraine has suspendended all elections and non-nazi supporting parties. They will lose elections.

                Reality is so far removed from the western propaganda controlling you.

                • WestBromwich@feddit.ukOP
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  arrow-up
                  5
                  ·
                  3 days ago

                  I think it would be good if the Donbas and Crimea could democratically decide their future, but I don’t believe the referendums held by Putin’s regime, given that the Russian regime rigs elections (that video shows ballot stuffing in Russia).

                  I don’t see how Ukraine, or Ukrainian far-right elements, provoked the war. The war was begun by Russia who sent their troops (illegally of course) into Crimea and the Donbas in 2014.

                  • humanspiral@lemmy.ca
                    link
                    fedilink
                    arrow-up
                    1
                    arrow-down
                    3
                    ·
                    3 days ago

                    Sure ok. Referendums in Odessa and other current Ukrainian controlled areas too. There is no way that even 10% of Crimea and Donbas would prefer current Ukrainian regime rule. A return to someone like Yanukovich would be hard to trust because of the massive betrayal he got from IMF/EU despite wanting to be closer to them.

                    I don’t know what your video is showing. The fact that there is, seemingly official, video surveillance could have alternate explanation. Perhaps all of the other election workers there are validating mail in ballots, and she then collects them to put in box? I don’t know anything.

                    Ukraine suspending elections means that they can’t win even with “motivated election rigging operatives”. Liberated regions of Ukraine have had normal local elections.