Israel was created by the UN after the fall of the ottoman empire when they support the axis on the world wars.
They were then invaded by 5 neighbouring countries the day after the British protectorate ended because those neighbours disagreed with the UN approved borders.
You’re all hyped up about this, and yet live in a country that took all its land from someone else and also names roads and monuments after the people that stole that land.
Israel was created by the British who made a deal with zionists without including any input from the Palestinians already living there. The British divided up the land, but that wasn’t enough for the zionists who carried out terrorist attacks to drive out the people already living there. When Israel was established, the nearby countries responded appropriately to a tool of western imperialism being propped up right in their general region. We’ve all seen how Israel has poisoned the land both figuratively and literally, so those countries were right to respond the way they did.
The US being built on stolen land isn’t right either and we should take stronger steps towards reparations. That doesn’t excuse the genocide that Israel is carrying out right now. It’s better to stop it earlier than later. Israel is hoping to destroy Palestine and pretend like nothing could have been done while they were doing it, then after it’s done they’ll shrug their shoulders and say it’s all in the past. Do not give them excuses.
Yea, generally when it’s your government that loses the war and collapses, you don’t get much say in how your country gets divvied up afterwards. A lot of displaced jews needed a spot after the holocaust, so it made sense to do this.
Those foreign countries were right to invade Israel and kill people? You fucking hypocrite.
Reparations? Again you’re being hypocritical, you’re asking for Palestinians to be given their own country in the spots they were prior to the formation of Israel. Why shouldn’t the natives just be given the entire US back based on that logic? You willing to move back to whatever country your ancestors moved away from?
Rules for thee, but not for me. It’s easy to demand things that don’t cost YOU anything.
Zionism is a settler colonialism project was able to start with the support of British Imperialism. Zionism as a political movement started with Theodore Herzl in the 1880s as a ‘modern’ way to ‘solve’ the ‘Jewish Question’ of Europe.
Since at least the 1860’s, Europe was increasingly antisemitic and hostile to Jewish people. Zionism was explicitly a Setter Colonialist movement and the native Palestinians were not considered People but Savages by the Europeans. While Zionist Colonization began before it, the Balfor Declaration is when Britain gave it’s backing of the movement in order to ‘solve’ the ‘Jewish Question’ while also creating a Colony in the newly conquered Middle East after WWI in order to exhibit military force in the region and extract natural resources.
That’s when Zionist immigration started to pick up, out of necessity for most as Europe became more hostile and antisemitic. That continued into and during WWII, European countries and even the US refused to expand immigration quotas for Jewish people seeking asylum. The idea that the creation of Israel is a reparation for Jewish people is an after-the-fact justification. While most Jewish immigrants had no choice and just wanted a place to live in peace, it was the Zionist Leadership that developed and implemented the forced transfer, ethnic cleansing, of the native population, Palestinians. Without any Occupation, Apartheid, and ethnic cleansing, there would not be any Palestinian resistance to it.
Herzl himself explicitly considered Zionism a Settler Colonialist project, Setter Colonialism is always violent. The difficulty in creating a democratic Jewish state in an area inhabited by people who are not Jewish, is that enough Palestinian people need to be ‘Transferred’ to have a demographic majority that is Jewish. Ben-Gurion explicitly rejected Secular Bi-national state solutions in favor of partition.
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Zionism’s aims in Palestine, its deeply-held conviction
that the Land of Israel belonged exclusively to the Jewish people as a whole, and the idea of Palestine’s “civilizational barrenness" or “emptiness” against the background of European imperialist ideologies all converged in the logical conclusion that the native population should make way for thenewcomers.
The idea that the Palestinian Arabs must find a place for themselves elsewhere was articulated early on. Indeed, the founder of the movement, Theodor Herzl, provided an early reference to transfer even before he formally outlined his theory of Zionist rebirth in his Judenstat.
An 1895 entry in his diary provides in embryonic form many of the elements that were to be demonstrated repeatedly in the Zionist quest for solutions to the “Arab problem ”-the idea of dealing with state governments over the heads of the indigenous population, Jewish acquisition of property that would be inalienable, “Hebrew Land" and “Hebrew Labor,” and the removal of the native population.
Israel was created by the UN after the fall of the ottoman empire when they support the axis on the world wars.
They were then invaded by 5 neighbouring countries the day after the British protectorate ended because those neighbours disagreed with the UN approved borders.
You’re all hyped up about this, and yet live in a country that took all its land from someone else and also names roads and monuments after the people that stole that land.
Israel was created by the British who made a deal with zionists without including any input from the Palestinians already living there. The British divided up the land, but that wasn’t enough for the zionists who carried out terrorist attacks to drive out the people already living there. When Israel was established, the nearby countries responded appropriately to a tool of western imperialism being propped up right in their general region. We’ve all seen how Israel has poisoned the land both figuratively and literally, so those countries were right to respond the way they did.
The US being built on stolen land isn’t right either and we should take stronger steps towards reparations. That doesn’t excuse the genocide that Israel is carrying out right now. It’s better to stop it earlier than later. Israel is hoping to destroy Palestine and pretend like nothing could have been done while they were doing it, then after it’s done they’ll shrug their shoulders and say it’s all in the past. Do not give them excuses.
Yea, generally when it’s your government that loses the war and collapses, you don’t get much say in how your country gets divvied up afterwards. A lot of displaced jews needed a spot after the holocaust, so it made sense to do this.
Those foreign countries were right to invade Israel and kill people? You fucking hypocrite.
Reparations? Again you’re being hypocritical, you’re asking for Palestinians to be given their own country in the spots they were prior to the formation of Israel. Why shouldn’t the natives just be given the entire US back based on that logic? You willing to move back to whatever country your ancestors moved away from?
Rules for thee, but not for me. It’s easy to demand things that don’t cost YOU anything.
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Zionism is a settler colonialism project was able to start with the support of British Imperialism. Zionism as a political movement started with Theodore Herzl in the 1880s as a ‘modern’ way to ‘solve’ the ‘Jewish Question’ of Europe.
Since at least the 1860’s, Europe was increasingly antisemitic and hostile to Jewish people. Zionism was explicitly a Setter Colonialist movement and the native Palestinians were not considered People but Savages by the Europeans. While Zionist Colonization began before it, the Balfor Declaration is when Britain gave it’s backing of the movement in order to ‘solve’ the ‘Jewish Question’ while also creating a Colony in the newly conquered Middle East after WWI in order to exhibit military force in the region and extract natural resources.
That’s when Zionist immigration started to pick up, out of necessity for most as Europe became more hostile and antisemitic. That continued into and during WWII, European countries and even the US refused to expand immigration quotas for Jewish people seeking asylum. The idea that the creation of Israel is a reparation for Jewish people is an after-the-fact justification. While most Jewish immigrants had no choice and just wanted a place to live in peace, it was the Zionist Leadership that developed and implemented the forced transfer, ethnic cleansing, of the native population, Palestinians. Without any Occupation, Apartheid, and ethnic cleansing, there would not be any Palestinian resistance to it.
Herzl himself explicitly considered Zionism a Settler Colonialist project, Setter Colonialism is always violent. The difficulty in creating a democratic Jewish state in an area inhabited by people who are not Jewish, is that enough Palestinian people need to be ‘Transferred’ to have a demographic majority that is Jewish. Ben-Gurion explicitly rejected Secular Bi-national state solutions in favor of partition.
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Page 8, The Concept of Transfer 1882-1948
10 myths of Israel by Ilan Pappe, summerized and full book
Transfer Committee and the JNF led to Forced Displacement of 100,000 Palestinians throughout the mandate.