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    Yeah I feel like we could set them straight.

    Honestly man, I wish I could say that the real high level professionals are aware of the reality in enough detail that they would also laugh at a story like this, but I have a deep fear that they may not be.

    It would definitely explain a lot about US reactions to the endless series of “ooh just missed it” peace agreement failures this year if they thought this story accurately represented how Netanyahu thinks.

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        I’m not trying to have hubris but I feel like, yes, in some aspects, yes.

        I’m sure they are more up to speed on the details and I’m sure if I were in the position and making decisions, I would start fucking up horribly on some things. But, definitely there can be people in positions of power who are making horrible decisions because of blindness to key factors that the activist community is aware of – “Secrets” by Daniel Ellsberg probably has some of the best examples I’m aware of. It’s not entirely just me talking out of my ass.

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          No totally, that’s why Blinken and Miller should take notes from Lemmy. And they should probably read that book too. I’m sure they’ll change course because clearly we know they don’t know what they’re doing. It’s only one way.

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            backs away gingerly

            (I feel like you may not know who Daniel Ellsberg is)

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              leans back in chair, twirling moustache, sipping cognac

              Why sweet lemming, they’re the author of the book that’s going to open Blinken’s and Miller’s eyes to the truth!

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                He worked at the RAND Corporation, inside the Pentagon directly under the Secretary of Defense, on-site in Vietnam, and then based on what he saw, decided to commit an incredibly major federal crime by going public about what was going on in the United States’s decision-making process so the American people could be aware. He was charged with espionage, with the government aiming to put him in prison for 115 years, and beat the case. Much later, he wrote a book with his experiences and insights.

                That’s an extremely broad overview. I would highly recommend looking into more of the details, or maybe reading his book.

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                  I’ll email the amazon link for the book to Blinken and Miller.

                  Edit: if anyone didn’t figure it out, I’m rejecting the baseless idea put forth that they know better than the professionals. Next we’ll see mozz giving state department briefings instead of Miller, because they clearly know better than those fools.

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                    A good example would be Ellsberg’s writings on “the stalemate machine” in Vietnam - that should be, in my opinion, required reading for anyone who’s involved on any level in our Ukraine policy. I feel like, observing the result, it probably is not.

                    I mean you’re not wrong. As I said I am sure I would fuck up horribly in these roles, as applied to either Israel or Ukraine. It’s at least 10 times easier to lob criticism and identify problems than it is to actually execute, and solve the problems. But if you’re suggesting that just because someone’s at a high level, they’re obviously wise to the real situation and making good comprehensive decisions, that suggests strongly to me that you probably haven’t worked either in a big company or on military / foreign policy things.