That is a flaw. Flatpak is great where it works but Flatpak doesn’t solve all problems, neither does any one solution except os level modification. It can be a last resort by it should be a last resort that works. The layering system could be put together such that you don’t get side effects of installing packages like that. It might be tough to fix but that doesn’t make it not a flaw.

Release! The! Tapes!

Come on, do it. It could have a real impact.

Once you fire up a webpage it’ll just dump garbage all over the couch.

It isn’t, though. Package layering modifies the install itself. See: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-silverblue/getting-started/#_flatpak_command_line

The big problem with the way ostree works is that installing things has side effects. Every item you install with ostree makes all future items slower to install, including regular os updates. This is a significant flaw in the way they designed it and really makes immutable oses less attractive.

Got any recommendations?

He knows what he’s doing.

Immutable is fantastic in theory. Where it falls apart is having to basically rebuild the whole distro every time you want to make a change. It should be there your base distro is immutable, then any extra changes go on an additional mutable layer but that would be difficult to set up. (You’d need a package manager like Nixos or something.)

There are hundreds of Linux developers, including companies like Red Hat, Intel, IBM, Google, and more. You want all these people to up and move to… where? Somewhere. Russia, or a Russian ally presumably but hell if i know. Anyway you want them all to move so a handful of people working for Russian weapons manufacturing companies can keep maintaining pieces of the Linux kernel?

This is obviously a non-serious suggestion.

Switzerland is currently sanctioning Russia. Let me say that again to be clear: moving to Switzerland, the most neutral country in the world, will not prevent you from having to abide by sanctions against Russia.

“A lot of companies” completely left the sphere of influence of basically any country except Russia? Doubt.

I know the company i work for has to take similar steps when the sanctions went into effect, for example. Same as almost everyone.

You’re right, the goal of getting to the moon and scale of the effort was much bigger than putting satellites into space, even if they’ve put a lot of satellites into space. They had to invent crewed rockets. Nobody knew how to take an explosion and put a human person on top of it and surf that up to space, then people figured out how. Without that work, SpaceX (and friends) would not exist now.

I’d measure it by number of objectives completed.

How many commercial space flight programs landed on the moon? SpaceX was founded in 2002, over two decades ago. It had decades of public engineering data and knowledge to build on. In 1957, Sputnik made it to space, the first artificial satellite in the history of Earth. In 1969, humans landed on the moon.

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I think it’s extremely clear what’s happening and why and tone policing them about it is not helpful.

Switzerland is sanctioning Russia.

The US is not the outlier, here.

I, too, do not want to be deleted out of existence by the US government/military and so i, too, comply with sanctions.

We have reason to believe Linus and the kernel team are not filling the kernel with government back doors (for the thing, there’s a high chance someone notices and makes it public that such code was put into the kernel by one of them). Linus has talked about refusing to do this in the past. However, it’s no surprise they’re not willing to risk the whole project for a handful of people working for Russian weapons manufacturers.

So you realize they have no choice and couldn’t have done any differently but you’re still irrationally upset about it so you decided to become the tone police?

Funny fucking thing to say considering why Russia is under sanction.

This isn’t a real comment, is it?

Anyway, the Linux kernel team are not about to fight the US government, particularly not to defend Russia. If you’re so concerned about warmongering then leave Russia. Solves all the problems here. You don’t gotta go to the US, even.

He would cheer them on and say it was a blow against the “trans agenda” or something, i’m sure.

I feel a little bad encouraging the what-about-ism here but: Genocide actually does not have majority support in the US. Most polls show a majority of the public opposes genocide and what Israel is doing right now.

It’s a minority that supports it.

With that said, that’s not really related to the situation with the Linux kernel developers.