opinions will vary on what constitutes poor treatment of an animal, but i think everyone would agree that “Treating animals poorly is not appropriate.”

treating animals like animals is absolutely appropriate

it’s how people justify slavery

no matter how many times you edit your comment here, the text you linked won’t change

none of your stats showed veal production in nz.

each of my statements is a verifiable fact. your reaction here smacks of a horse laugh fallacy.

these are all just platitudes. it doesn’t change the truth of what I’ve said.

supply and demand is a theory about price discovery. it does not dictate market production.

whether and animal is killed entirely up to the person doing the killing. whether I buy meat or not does not change what that person decides. I can’t be responsible for the actions of somebody else.

no, they’re not. an action in the future cannot cause an event in the past.

have a nice day

doesn’t look like any of them become veal at all in nz.

I don’t know where you got your stats, but according to the fao 17% of the weight of the global soy crop becomes oil, but a soybean is only about 20% oil in total. that means some 85% of the crop is pressed for oil. that byproduct being fed to livestock is a benefit.

mourning is not, itself, proof of understanding of personal mortality. losing a companion doesn’t indicate they know they, themselves, might die.

How the fuck can you hear of a living being pecking itself to death in its own shit and think “dumb bird”?

this characterization has no basis in anything i’ve said.

soy … destroys ecosystems and rainforests (#2), don’t feed animals, feed people!

the vast majority ( over 80% ) of soy is pressed for oil. the byproduct of that process is called soycake or soy meal, and it would be industrial waste if we didn’t feed it to livestock. that’s a conservation of resources.

Half of the newborns are male and killed for veal, no?

no

they’re brought to full weight and slaughtered, or become dairy cows and produce milk

comparing slaves and trans people to animals is gross.

I’ve looked at the USDA data about veal, and to my recollection it was less than 3% of calves that became veal

hardly anyone kills animals at all, except pests or by accident

as far as I know, chickens have never been proven to understand personal mortality. if you can point me to a cognitive-behaviorist study that shows otherwise, id be fascinated