I mean I think the argument is they’ve always served as a gestapo. It’s ramping up a little more recently but I’m pretty sure even in the 2000s and 2010s they were still infiltrating “radical” environmental groups.

I mean let’s assume he does support Hamas (he doesn’t, the furthest I’ve really seen him go is saying their resistance is justified in the face of genocide). But if we assume he does personally like them, should that put you in prison? It’s clear they were trying to get him to say something that they could detain him for, which is then pretty understandable why he “wimped out” in that situation. The fact that they were asking him about that to potentially detain him over it is insane and clearly a first amendment violation.

If we ever get another president after Trump they need to abolish ICE. It’s pretty clear at this point that the organizations vague ability to skirt the Constitution is a loaded gun for authoritarians to use to go after their enemies.

I think doing all of those things is good but none of them really constitutes the people actually fighting back.

The first point focuses more on people in government using the amount of power they can to oppose this stuff which is good but isn’t really the people fighting back against this.

The massive amounts of protests aren’t going to do anything by themselves as Trump can continue to ignore them and keep blazing ahead as he’s already doing so. Especially considering the major force behind this, 50501, is having some pretty major internal problems right now the last time I looked that will probably splinter and hamper their ability to keep doing events.

In terms of violence I do generally support non-violent action, I just think it needs to be directed in ways that actually accomplish something rather then just allowing people to feel like they did something by going out to a protest for a couple hours. We need people to join organizations and actually start organizing and building community with people. That way people can begin to work towards creating whatever protections they can at the local level whether that be through local legislation or through organizing groups to protect people in the community directly from attacks. Protests can work towards this but we seriously need to hammer it into people that just showing up to a protest isn’t enough by itself and we need more protests that aren’t just nebulously targeted at Trump but have specific goals and demands.

I mean what do you define as fighting? Cause the most I’ve seen is protests and I don’t really count just going outside for a couple of hours on the weekend to wave a sign around and chant as fighting.

Would love that if it was an option.

But what reason would they have to go after you on foreign soil? Unless you’re like actively causing problems for China they’re not gonna spend the effort to go after you for saying “China bad” on one of their phones. That only matters if you’re in China at which point it’s silencing internal discontent. The much bigger likelihood is the American government seeing you, through data Google gathers, organize against US support of Israel or any other position they start abducting people for and grabbing you off the street for it.

I mean judging by the current American government id much rather my data is going to the CCP then the American Government via Google as a proxy.

Yeah I agree I don’t think it’s a good long term strategy, losing the dominant position is gonna make it easier for businesses to seriously consider switching to Mac, Chrome OS, or Linux. And when more people start to switch the OEMs will follow. It’s the classic short term profit over long term success approach that companies will always fall into. For now it provides a nice bump in sales through mainly OEMs selling new computers to people and down the line through the businesses who don’t want to make the switch or can’t make the switch so are forced to buy new windows computers. But yeah it’s probably gonna continue to sink their market share if average people can’t use the new OS and are smart enough to switch to something else. Although I’ve seen people still using Windows XP while connected to the internet so who knows if it’ll even be a big impact or not. It will really just depend on if enough people switch that more programs get ported to other OSes and then businesses can actually make the switch more easily. And if that ball gets rolling Microsoft’s market share will keep tumbling down, but again it’s hard to say if that’s gonna start or if Microsoft is gonna have to do a lot more bad things first to get there.

I have to imagine it’s because most of their money comes from business customers who rely on windows and would have to spend tons of money to switch to something else or OEMs who are making new computers anyways who this won’t affect. There’s a reason windows upgrades have been free for a while, I don’t think they really care about getting money from people anymore, they’re just after money from businesses and OEMs.

I mean I think at least in theory the court has the ability to use the US Marshalls to enforce a court order. And I also believe they can deputize others to enforce those orders instead in case the Marshalls end up answering to the DoJ instead of the judges.

Ah ok so should we just roll over and give up then? That seems to be the argument you’re getting at and while that might work for you I’d rather work with people in my community to have projects like this to help people, as well as also protesting and advocating for change.

The CIA must have operation paper clipped Hitler’s soul.