That “short time” and odd date range (January to April) should both be red flags to be highly suspicious of them taking credit for external factors and cherry picking data/date ranges.

My analysis was based on taking them at face value as being the sole reason for the change, with the knowledge that the numbers they are reporting are highly deceptive. Even from that naive perspective their numbers are bad.

However, the data shows a sharp increase in the murder rate starting around 2014 due to unknown causes. The dropoff from 2010-2014 is often attributed to the defeat of the CIA backed Shower Posse gang after the Tivoli incursion in 2010.

I would bet that the current high murder rate is due, in part, to IMF loans (starting in 2013), global transition away from sugarcane to beets (predominantly EU in 2015), CIA involvement and COVID tourism impacts dramatically destabilizing the local economy. That’s something that no amount of killing by the government sanctioned cartel will have any positive impact on.

2024 homicide rate was ~40.1 per 100,000. Jamaica population is ~2.8 million so ~1100 murders/year. 37% decrease in homicides is ~420/year. Increase in police killings is 67.

Assuming you can attribute the change totally to whatever the police are doing (almost certainly not the reality) that puts the situation as a 1:6 trolley problem.

Is it an improvement? Technically yes, but imagine anything else working that way and it should be pretty obvious the JFJ is right that this is insane.

I do what I can. But it doesn’t feel like enough.

And it clearly isn’t enough as things are getting worse, but also what I’m doing clearly isn’t enough either. Unfortunately, it’s impossible for one, or two, people to do enough. It’s just important you do what you can and remain cynical about what those limitations are.

I apologize if this felt like it was targeted explicitly at you, but I don’t see a path forward without aggressively corralling those who are doing “what is expected” vs “what they can” and I apologize if my attempts at pushing were misdirected or misplaced.

Keep on doing what your doing, if we all keep doing what we can we’ll get through this.

how would you know if I was or was not actively doing something

It’s the Internet I don’t. The difference in perspective I see is the lack of ‘guilt by association’ which only goes so far. That was kind of what the whole Nuremberg trials were about. My point is that if you are not confident that in a real life interaction you can demonstrate either you were unaware, were resisting, dis-associated yourself or were incapable, then you do shoulder some of the blame.

The fact we’re having this conversation shows you are not unaware, I hope you’re actively resisting but the defensiveness tells me you might not believe you’re doing enough, and if that’s because you’re incapable, for whatever reason, then give yourself some grace. If that’s not the case then yes, you modern_medicine are to blame for the fascist bullshit happening around you.

people from your country surely do drugs which is why the cartels exist and kill people.

I believe you have a poor understanding of what cartels are and why they exist, but yes using your example I can confidently say I actively work to alleviate the conditions that result in people self-medicating and have distanced myself from cartels and their activities as much as I am aware and capable of. Can you say the same?

I agree that “blame” may not be the right word. Is there an English word for “complicit through complacency”?

Then I guess you should probably be actively doing something about that problem shouldn’t you?

So long as you aren’t that blame isn’t really misplaced is it?

Daily reminder that’s how deportations have worked in the USA for over a decade.

What do you think Gitmo(GTMO) and other military black sites are for?

I don’t believe blacks and minorities were ever kidnapped and trafficked to foreign death camps

Historically domestic death camps have been good enough. A prison where people are serving life sentences is a death camp, just a very slow, inefficient one.

Those sent were charged with a crime, but not convincted. The laziness to not even coerce a plea deal as is tradition is the only real deviation from the “status quo”.

I do appreciate that the fascist morons are too stupid to realize that the “inefficiencies” they saw were design features not flaws. Allowing for the whole charade to be exposed without having to argue against each individual part of the kafkaesque machine.

In less than a month, the nazi party have already disappeared 1/3 the total number sent to Gitmo the last 23 years.

Can you provide some more specifics+sources on those numbers so I can also reference them later with more specifics?

Remember_the_tooth is spot on, but also glosses over the 20-21st century transition and the litany of bullshit that led to the modern police state. Jim Crow Joe and the 90s crime bill, Bush Jr.'s coup via Bush V Gore and the subsequent formation of DHS, expansion of black sites via the Iraq war, etc.

or are a registered member of a long dead movement.

Oh, it should be long dead, but it’s not. There is a significant amount of people that legitimately think “Hitler was right”. Those you’re referencing aren’t all Nazis (though some certainly seem to be, or at least are heavily inspired by) they’re fascists.

Using the word “Nazi” instead of “fascist” limits the useful historical comparisons that you can draw from and can have a blinding effect on making important comparisons. I do disagree with Stormdahl about ‘just calling them MAGA’ but I do agree with them that MAGA =/= Nazi just because it’s an explicitly fascist movement.