Then you’re violating the law! Just agree to the 40 page legalese text as if you were on an equal footing.

• Let your personal pet lawyer read it if you can’t.
• Don’t forget to read every change to them, because every EULA allows the vendor to change parts of the EULA at any time.
• Enjoy having fewer rights to the bought stuff than a pirate does, because the EULA makes you waive them. Or will make you waive them.

Well, at least they didn’t put their scope on backwards. Can you imagine?

The Venn Diagram of “people still spending that much money on a game” and “people that are easy to please” seems to be a circle. Maybe something to do with a sunk-cost-fallacy coupled with the “social proof” stuff?

But I don’t know the game. Maybe it’s okay.

Those are a lot of words to say you have a positive outlook on live and don’t understand and disagree with my more negative one.

The punching was probably a bad metaphor. Just another way of saying that trust needs to be earned. And that the rest of the industry (at least the AAA part) did really not earn it.

In the beginning I only read the title and intro and wrote a (in my opinion) funny text. Then it got taken seriously without getting questioned. Then someone got personal.

Now I see that I was wrong, after that same someone gave me enough resources to prove their point.

It doesn’t mean another mishap where I don’t read the text won’t happen again.

If I want to write another snark comment of the type of “…why the overly specific denial?”, I will. Even if all three of you are against it.

I will give it to Saber however that they are doing good work, provided by the information of the one telling me to get therapy over a comment. So they will be spared of my snark, until they change. If they change.

What? Maybe I don’t understand your phrasing correctly. Do you mean you DO trust the official statement? No shame in that, if that’s what you want to say. Or do you want to say that you only trust the official statement if it’s the first thing you hear about something? Then it gets confusing and I don’t think you mean that.

Concerns and guesses about a persons intentions are indeed valid. I’d rather not let people punch me to learn their intentions, I’d rather keep my distance regardless of an innocent face. Metaphorically speaking. Thanks to goodeye8 I read more about the company and their stances and now think it’s valid what they say. I will still be distrusting of companies, but maybe I’ll do more research before commenting. Maybe.

Also, my guess always has precedence over anything other people state. I rather trust my eye rather than someone else’s. Again, metaphor. But my guess can be (…steered? Guided? Influenced?) when given more proof from different sources.

Nice, thank you for the writeup!

The underlying fallacy might be the same, but the target is not. That makes a huge difference. Especially with the power discrepancy corporations (the big ones at least, and most others too) have compared to singular humans.

Your point with the DRM is valid, but I could just replace it in this argument with more aggressive anti-cheat. Still, it’s a good point.

I didn’t know that for Beacon Interactive. Maybe I did stumble on the other one. For me, this wasn’t even on the second page of results. My search was indeed inadequate. I blame filter bubbles. And a very stupid naming similarity. Good that you found this though.

I do see Saber (and Beacon) in a better light now, my overall attitude to corporations however won’t change. Maybe I’ll do more research before commenting. Maybe.

No idea what you want to say in the first paragraph. I understand that you think it’s toxic to have a different opinion? Pretty sure that’s not what you meant.

There is a big difference between corporations and people. Bigotry against people cannot compare to bigotry against corporations. And then there’s a difference from that to an industry. Most notably there’s something called “industry standard” which (most often) the market leader sets and the competition copies in an attempt to catch up. To resist this means to potentialy lose money, something only few companies want or tolerate.

I can recommend searching for Cory Doctorow’s idea of “Enshittification” to get an understanding why companies might use costumer favourable policies at their beginning which they revoke in favor of more money later. It’s what made Amazon big, or Facebook. I’m sure you won’t, but there might be readers of this dialogue that might be interested.

No, I don’t know Saber’s internal politics toward this, and no, I don’t share your chipper attitude towards their intentions.
I do recognize they were nice to their customers, which is a good thing. But they were recently acquired by Beacon Interactive which doesn’t even have a wikipedia page. The future remains unclear. I don’t know where their path will take them, neither do you. You trust them at your own risk.

Then why choose this thread instead of my first comment here?

It is incredibly toxic, do you think that I do that? Over a “Why the over specific denial”? Seems a bit harsh. Are normal people that harsh?

It’s a lived example of the “one bad apple spoils the bunch”. There are quite a few bad apples in the publisher space, some on the developer side. Do normal people just not recognize patterns in an industry? Are normal people apathetic about how an industry treats them?

What, so the only promise is a statement from Saber? Nothing official? Okay

Interesting choices of questions. I don’t listen to what they say, I look at what they did. Hence my opinion.

Why do I engage in this convo? Not much to do on a Monday evening. Why do you engage in this convo?

Yes, the part the writer made up. Either they share the concerns that we see a repeat of the Helldivers 2 fun, or they reacted to an article earlier with that wording. Doesn’t matter, as I cannot see the future, I have to guess. I communicated that guess.

You seem awfully aggressive to people that don’t share your view and dare to step into your line of sight. Do you always trust the official statements?

That sounds like something I can see them do. Engage the haters (me, when talking about denuvo) with the bright minded people that weren’t tricked often enough, for more publicity.

Am on the edge for the remarkable, but the pine note would be a definite buy. But I do know that the pine devices most often are tinkering devices. Don’t know if that is the case for the pine note, just saying.

They do when lied to often. Doesn’t need to be the same source, just the same ballpark.

I’m sharing my distrust in the communication to the players based on shit that happened in the past. But thanks for the personal attack disguised as concern.

The “at launch” part in the article, right there. But you can trust the nonbinding FAQ.

Yes, that “at launch”. But you trust that FAQ, not like I want to do anything about that.

No, it’s the “at launch” part that was added.