The four-stage strategy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September#/media/File:Internet_is_Full_-_Go_Away_t-shirt.jpg

Oh, that’s a throwback. The internet and “nerd culture” used to be somewhat more exclusionary now that I reminisce a bit.

You cannot do that with an LLM.

If I want to go and read a Harry Potter book, I presumably have to pay someone something (excluding library services because those are services provided for actual people, not AI’s)?

This LLM clearly has read Harry Potter and Chamber of Secrets, and is merely refusing to display the data it already has on it. “Data” in this case meaning the work, the book.

I’m not for current copyright laws, but I find defending these hypocritical companies despicable. I’m sure you’re able to imagine that if it suited OpenAI, they might argue the exact opposite of what they’re arguing. Companies don’t really argue things in good faith, rather always arguing for the thing that will be the most profitable for them, no matter the veracity.

OpenAI is arguing “we’re not using copyrighted works in a way which would require us to pay anything, the machine is merely extrapolating patterns”.

But then it does go on to quote materials verbatim, which shows it’s not “just” ‘extracting patterns’.

If I were to put up a service called “quote a book” or something, and it just had a non-AI bot which would — when given the book and pages — quote copyrighted works, would that be okay for me to make money on, without paying anyone I’m quoting? Even if they started to use my service to literally copy entire books?

Why are you defending massive corporations who could just pay up? Isn’t the whole “corporations putting profits over anything” thing a bit… seen already?

will get the mods to start taking action against the most blatant ones.

I’ve heard it from a reliable source, a Lemmy.ml mod, that there’s simply no Russian activity on Lemmy. Would you like to know who?

Well, they can surrender.

Not all of them all the time, but a lot of them are smart enough to do something “dumb” like drive to a Ukrainian village to ask for directions and “get taken as pows”.

So yeah, yes and no, as the answer to your question.

Is he?

The movement arose among a group of central North Island iwi in the 1850s as a means of attaining Māori unity to halt the alienation of land at a time of rapid population growth by European colonists. The movement sought to establish a monarch who could claim status similar to that of Queen Victoria and thus provide a way for Māori to deal with Pākehā (Europeans) on equal footing. It took on the appearance of an alternative government with its own flag, newspaper, bank, councillors, magistrates and law enforcement. But it was viewed by the colonial government as a challenge to the supremacy of the British monarchy, leading in turn to the 1863 invasion of Waikato, which was partly motivated by a drive to neutralise the Kīngitanga’s power and influence. Following their defeat at Ōrākau in 1864, Kīngitanga forces withdrew into the Ngāti Maniapoto tribal region of the North Island that became known as the King Country.

I got your point fine, by the way.

They never felt the need to have a monarch. Now they only symbolically have one, and the aim of that was to prevent the loss of their culture.

It’s not an actual ruling position, so your anti-monarchy sentiment really doesn’t apply here.

What you should be mad at is that their culture was put under such a threat that they saw the need to emulate even the tiniest bit of monarchies.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Māori_King_movement

Yup. We got pro-Russian mods here on Lemmy as well.

Don’t we… Davel?

Not just the non-Christians, the wrong Christians as well.

Those are the worrying trends. We know to worry about the rise of the far right. Even globally. Global communication on this level was not a thing 100 years ago, and neither was fearing the far-right as much.

I could list hundreds of positive things which have happened in the world which definitely weren’t a thing 100 years ago. Thousands even. But those aren’t worrysome. Those don’t make you nervous. So they’re easy to ignore.

I’m not trying to say the far-right and their popularity isn’t an issue, but it’s an issue differently than it was 100 years ago.

It’s easy to throw hands up in the air and say “I’m out.”

I always preferred a challenge.

You’re a good person.

You couldn’t possibly know that, but it feels good nonetheless, true or not. Thanks.

“We’re headed back there”

“I’m not an apathetic pessimist”

Pick one

You’re taking the “history repeats itself” a tad too seriously.

Even if we looked at the US as the new Nazi Germany and Trump as the new Hitler, he hasn’t even remotely got the health or intelligence for even half the shit Hitler pulled off, and Hitler was not a stable genius in any sense of the phrase. Not stable, nor a genius.

What’s your evidence of “were heading back there” if you can’t use a saying as proof?

“Things improving here and there”

Everything has improved in the large scale.

Things have gotten worse “here and there”. Like my gen and buying houses. Not something that has improved in the past 20 years, but I would argue that the people are better informed of that specific problem than they were, so…

Things were not better 100 years ago.

“Rise of”

You do recall that 50 years ago segregation had just been abolished in the US? So you want to go back to times in which black people weren’t allowed to use the same schools, doors, fountains and pools, seats on buses? That’s when you think the US and the world was “great”?

Not only are you mired in apathy, you’re also fantasising about the past.

You didn’t even know — despite being an American (although I do assume there) — that you don’t have direct presidential elections?

No… Ignorance isn’t an excuse. If you use it as an excuse online where there’s literally all of human information, you’re not being just ignorant, you’re being willfully ignorant.

And if somewhere people are allowed to vote, but it’s not a fair one, then that doesn’t count for me.

Or if they’re allowed to vote, but the candidate who lost the popular vote is still elected? That would count as unfair, surely? That would be quite literally disregarding the will of the people. Right?

apathetic /ˌapəˈθɛtɪk/ adjective adjective: apathetic

showing or feeling no interest, enthusiasm, or concern. “an apathetic electorate”

You are, by definition, apathetic. “Things aren’t as bad as they will get.” Well what are you doing about it? Nothing? Wallowing in apathy, perhaps? Sure, some things will probably get worse. But most things have gotten better, historically. Look at crime stats and health stats. Aside from modern societies ills of capitalist shitfuckery and the exploitation of the labour classes, the world is doing pretty good compared to say, 50 years ago. So why won’t you accept the possibility that things might in fact improve?

“Converted what I said into the truth”

Now I’m not against the point you’re making in any way, I think the bots are hardcore yes men.

Buut… I have a 1060 and I got it around when No Man’s Sky came out, and I did try it on my 4k LED TV. It did run, but it also stuttered quite a bit.

Now I’m currently thinking of updating my card, as I’ve updated the rest of the PC last year. A 3070 is basically what I’m considering, unless I can find a nice 4000 series with good VRAM.

My point here being that this isn’t the best example you could have given, as I’ve basically had that conversation several times in real life, exactly like that, as “it runs” is somewhat subjective.

LLM’s obviously have trouble with subjective things, as we humans do too.

But again, I agree with the point you’re trying to make. You can get these bots to say anything. It amused me that the blocks are much more easily circumvented just by telling them to ignore something or by talking hypothetically. Idk but at least very strong text based erotica was easy to get out of them last year, which I think should not have been the case, probably.

So would you that for instance in the US, most people vote “for show”? (As a reminder the US doesn’t use direct presidential elections unlike other western democracies, but uses the electoral college, and has had several presidents who have lost the popular vote.)

Because I shouldn’t think so, and I know there’s several states which have/are getting legislation saying their electors will be bound to follow the popular vote. Which would all but do away with the electoral college.

Why’d you omit the “apathetic” part about the pessimist? Because it is what you are. You’re an apathetic pessimist, even if you say you’re not.

I’m not sugarcoating anything. I’m trying to make you stop sugarcoating this to yourself. You’re apathetic, even if you go and vote every 4-6-8 years.

Elections don’t make a democracy. Fair ones can do, though.

https://www.reuters.com/world/china/chinas-parliament-elects-xi-jinping-chinas-president-2023-03-10/

That’s why in a many countries we still have a right to vote. :)

Because I said you shouldn’t give into apathy…? No. Because you think people haven’t given into apathy? “It’s not as shit as it COULD be”? Because I think that is a somewhat strong indicator that you’re already an apathetic pessimist.

“I’m not willing to get into it” <— case in point

Based on nothing else than “nothing ever goes well”? You do remember that even in Star Trek, the early 21st century was garbage, historically?

There’s the post-atomic horror, but we get to meet a few aliens who will help us slowly get back on track.

Just like with the bad predictions about the internet, if one were to jokingly interpret ST as prophecy, one could say that maybe they had the gist of it, but the details wrong. It’s probably not Vulcans we’ll meet, but perhaps we can manage to upturn the prohibition of ecstasy, LSD, shrooms etc and through that, we’ll notice a marked difference in the world when people aren’t getting drunk anymore and fighting, but rolling, being nice to everyone, etc. Deep cultural paradigm shift that’s comparable to meeting Vulcans (who are more or less human).

Maybe don’t give into the apathy and it won’t win as easily.