Gross.

That worst candidate didn’t win by a landslide either time, so I don’t think it’s fair to say America will never vote for a woman. Lots of Americans did vote for a woman. According to CNN: “More Americans voted for Hillary Clinton than any other losing presidential candidate in US history.”

People forget that aside from the email bullshit, it was widely reported that Clinton received something like 26 million dollars for speaking engagements, behind closed doors to bankers and American robber barons. Some parts of her speeches were leaked, but she never released any transcripts. I think that fueled voter apathy and “both sides the same” feeling for a lot of people, including two-income families struggling to make ends meet.

You think if a man had done the same, no-one except Bernie Sanders would care?

As for the second strong capable woman, I voted for her, despite her seeming support for the ongoing genocide. I’m not convinced that election was legit.

Meanwhile, with a compromised press and Trump ignoring any judicial ruling he dislikes, the Democrats are still no help. They’re nearly as crazy as Trump if they think that Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez could be a viable presidential candidate. No matter what they think of her policies, very few Republicans who despise Trump would vote for her. “I wouldn’t,” my White House source told me. “I’m not crazy. The far left is as bad as the far right, and they’re the reason I voted for Trump.” There are plenty of moderate Democrats who agree.

Imagine thinking AOC is far left. Ok now imagine thinking that kind of far left is just as bad as the far right.

Like for example, informing people of their constitutional rights, advocating for things like accessible Healthcare and protections for workers is every but as bad as shipping people off without due process to El Salvador prison where they’ll die, grabbed by a militarized and masked police force that snatches people off the street, or from their homes or school.

Somehow it’s the fault of the democrats who won’t accept moderate Republicans. But also there are plenty of moderate democrats that agree that the far left is just as bad.

Well it’s amazing that insiders are finally able to suspect something is wrong, but they are still so gripped by cult doctrine they can’t make any progress.

Ludicrous.

Yeah you’re right. I suppose it’s foolish to expect the guys who said they were preparing for government tyranny to do anything when the government starts tyrannizing.

Is he even a veteran? I’m guessing he is not.

2a bros…? When you gonna defend us from the gubmint tyranny?

I seem to remember hearing that for a period of four years, interspersed with “Oh they’ve got him now!”

Pardon me if I don’t believe it will amount to anything.

And another one gone and another one gone,

Another red line is crossed,

Hey, he’s gonna cross you too!

Another red line is crossed…

Maybe you’re right. I just predicted he wouldn’t live through next year, maybe not this year. But is it just my hopefulness?

I think his age and poor health will come into play before the end of 2026 if not before the end of this year. Once he kicks the bucket, the clown committee will not be able to keep it together. That’s my prediction.

Added to that: the dems will make no meaningful move to capitalize on the moment of advantage when bad orange man is dead and republicans fall into disarray.

Edit: am i just wishful thinking? Maybe, but you guys and your cold water can’t extinguish my hope.

If I’m wrong, then the only alternative is to shut down this idiot circus by other means. We must resist with everything we have, and never let go of our revolutionary optimism.

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Edit: The comment I replied to was removed, so my sarcasm seems out of place without context. I have removed that reply.

I will instead say this: before the election I complained that there was no viable anti-genocide voting option, and before I got downvoted into oblivion I was told “well, you can’t get everything you want in politics”. I held my nose and voted Harris, thinking maybe the democrats could be pressured.

Well here we are. The whole fuckin thing makes me want to cry.

Don’t.

I’m getting really damn tired of having a choice between the conservative party cosplaying as liberals and the fascist party cosplaying as conservatives.

damn straight.

You’re right, and I think there might be additional health benefits from adding it in, too!

I confess my comment wasn’t my real opinion, but I’m sure that’s what my grandmother would have said. She was always very concerned with appearances.

My actual answer: I have spent time in Dixie and drank a fair bit of chicory coffee. At that time I also smoked like a chimney so I wonder now how much I was able to smell and taste much of anything back then. I liked it fine but it was never my favorite go-to.

Since I quit smoking and live a generally more healthy life I find I have become a bit of a purist. I like my coffee to be coffee, as there is so much variety just within coffee that adding in other things seems to complicate the issue beyond what I’m willing to deal with.

But again, no shade at anyone who likes it.

Naw, that’s fo’ po’ folks!

Woke liberal transgender marxists who hate America try to destroy Entergy Louisiana and put hapless shareholders into the poorhouse!

I’m voting Harris, for all the reasons outlined in this thread, but damn it chaps my hide that this is like the trolley problem where the trolly will go down the 100% evil track unless you pull the lever to go down the %25 less evil track. Everybody in here seems to think we shouldn’t want a better track, it’s just not practical or possible to do anything better.

Is nobody else here frustrated that the only alternative we have to the orange fascist is a prosecutor that put countless brothers and sister into the racist for-profit prison system for having weed? This is the alternative that progressives are excited about?

I read a line somewhere -I forget where- but it was something to the effect that always voting for the lesser of two evils means getting the second worst possible america. Are y’all so pragmatic that wanting anything other than the second worst america is automatically interpreted as a bot, or a Russian troll, or a stupid college kid in a Che t-shirt that only wants to endlessly critique?

Is anyone on the fence going to be swayed by a debate anyway? I think the people who are really not sure about which way to vote at this point likely can’t be reasoned out of wasting their vote on some third party.

To anyone reading this that is considering voting 3rd party, my advice is to vote dem and then put as much political pressure on the democrats as possible the other 364 days of the year. The alternative, while maybe morally pure, is a lot less workable and doesn’t benefit others.