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1·6 days agoI know. But not everybody seems to share your enthusiasm for locking the communities on world.
Looking at your examples:
The movie ones: To me the world one looks like the way healthier community, a lot more different users posting stuff, on lemm.ee it’s mostly some power users creating all the content, actually really only moderators of that community. I find you talking about how it is the more active community a bit dishonest tbh. Same i found with the dataisbeautiful one. I have a feeling you care more about computers (fedi infra) than the topics.
The gaming one somebody else told you their opinion on it, and why it is a good community.
The android ones… i don’t really have an opinion on it. IIRC at first they were all on the world (or.ml?) one and then created the lemdro.id instance. What about the .ml one by the way? Why is it only ever a problem when world has a community that exists elsewhere?
Generally i don’t think having multiple active c’s is all that problematic, at least they are active.
From your message, I feel like people on LW want to keep communities on “LW instances”, I’m wondering why.
Because these communities are already there and are active, that’s why. Not everybody has to share your enthusiasm for removing communities from lemmy.world.
1·9 days agoLW rules still allow them to namesquat that community
So i had another look. I think it’s actually kinda crazy that you demand they should lock the dataisbeautiful community. The world one has a bunch of different users posting stuff to it, in the mander one it is 50% you. The mods are all active lemmy users, max three months since last comment (and we don’t know when they last logged in to lemmy). You just claim it is an unmanaged community, but it looks just fine to me, no spam or whatever. And i don’t agree at all that mods necessarily need to be actively posting into the communities they mod.
Quoting the quote where you mentioned me in that other topic
You can easily pick the “wrong” community on a topic, and see zero content when there’s another one full of posts but…
This does not apply to the world community, but i guess to the ones other than mander, ml and world:
The ml community is also not locked btw.
And i don’t see how this could be fixed in the lemmyverse, having multiple communities for same topic? It is just part of how this works? It is also kinda easy to tell by these search results which communities might be active. And if you’re interested in the topic, you’d subscribe to all of them (active ones). That’s how it was a year ago too, when i looked for communities of my interest.
Honestly i understand you less after looking into it more. I mean i get the desire to spread out communities and i think it would be a good thing, but you can’t just force your will onto other people and their ideas like that.
LW is so large than they have to be extra cautious with their updates. If they would be 20% of the total Lemmy population, and 30 of the top 100 communities compared to now, they would probably be more at ease with “me can mess up a bit, it’s okay”. Having them as a cornerstone of the whole platform puts them constantly under the spotlight.
Well then we agree that it seems to be fine how they do it.
What does “other instances” mean in a federated context?
It means that the instance admins have a higher responsibility towards their own users, mods and communities wishes.
I have another example for this !dataisbeautiful@mander.xyz
Yeah well i don’t think they should lock that community if the mod doesn’t want it to be locked. Do you really think that would be right? Should i go and demand the solarpunk bird community to be locked because world’s is more active? I think it’d be pretty bad if they did, not that i think they would. Also i don’t think that user you called out is part of world’s staff.
The paradox of choice is something you have deal with in the fediverse i guess, starts at choosing a server. I don’t think it should be that big of a deal, as long as communities can be found from the instances internal search.
0.19.5
I still don’t think they keep us from being upgraded to be mean.
LW staff “name squatting”
I have a feeling that LW staff would give a different reason for this. As they did with the community that you asked to be locked (not deleted, i misremembered this ;). And yes, that mod agreed and now the community is locked. That’s great! But i won’t hold it against world admins to not listen to people from other instances asking for communities to be locked, when the mods are still active users. If they did that i would have more of a problem with it. I think this turned out perfect? But if a mod doesn’t want to oblige to your requests, then so be it, i think that is just fair.
54% of the instances use it
Oh wow, i would have thought it would be more. I would like to be “up to date” and see all the images i uploaded and maybe delete some but i still i think it is a good idea that they are being cautious and i trust them on their judgement, i don’t believe they refrain from updating for shady reasons or out of spite or whatever.
LW would become even more centralized, in a chicken and egg way
Maybe enough people will recommend different instances this time? I wanted to sign up at .ml originally, but they didn’t accept anything, lots of people recommended world. I think it was also on top of the join-lemmy site and the shuffling came later but i might remember that wrong. I didn’t want to join an instance with a country code and also not a niche instance dedicated to a topic that i am not all that interested in (computers, startrek, furries, lgbtq…).
Solving the issue ourselves
That issue is not being solved if nobody even realize it’s there or is just being swept under the rug until it comes up with the next wave!?
Talking about upgrades, LW plans to skip 0.19.5 as their upgrades are always so impactful due to their size and the centralization of communities there, preventing a third of the Lemmy users to use new features.
All of us who are already on board can leave for a cutting edge instance. I think it’s a good thing that they want to keep world stable and take their time.
Communities can already be migrated at the moment.
What, like automatically transfer subscribers (and hopefully posts at some point) etc? I thought everybody needs to be on board and then do it manually?
I sometimes feel like some people in the LW staff are reluctant to close some of their communities, even if unmanaged, and that prevents communities on other instances from really getting popular.
As they should be, not just delete some community because some user claimed it was dead and unmoderated (like i saw you do recently with a community which had an active user as admin ;). If they just deleted those communities i guess you’d go at them again with the power trip accusations.
To point 1, like i said, next wave the user load should spread out over more instances, that would be nice if that could happen.
Point 2, i feel like these are just growing pains and it’s not only a bad thing that these issues become visible now, these issues sure must be adressed if the lemmyverse grows bigger.
And yeah it would be nice if communities would be completely transferable in the future, i hope there is no technical impossibility here and it just takes time for this to happen.
Well that is just like… your opinion man. Also i think that utopia looks kinda shit like dubai but with flying taxis.
World made it easy for tons of people to onboard onto lemmy. If there were no instances that made it easy for all the reddit refugees to find a home, it would be a lot emptier here imo. And of course people create communities on their instance.
I think it is a good thing that lemmy.world is huge, in my non programmer mind, it will prepare lemmy better for the next wave of new users, maybe that will be the time to onboard them onto different instances.
Thanks for all the memes though!
I understood you could, with the friends plugin:
If you also have the ActivityPub plugin installed, you can follow people on Mastodon and other ActivityPub-compatible social networks.
If you did it would not be rent free, or would it, einstein. But no worry, i don’t think about you, just this topic and your enthusiasm for it triggered my reply :)
Have a downvote for going off topic and “personal”.
Or some self entitled 3rd party admin would do that just because they’d feel like people owed them explanations.
Yeah, just like rglullis actually dragged downvoters into the public on a few occasions, to pressure them to explain their downvotes.
I have no clue what you’re on about.
Everyone goes to Lemmy.world because unlike most instances it has (effectively) open registration
The registration page does not look different really to the lemmy.nz one, same for lemm.ee, sopuli.xyz, sh.itjust.works has even one less tiny hurdle to jump to register. Didn’t bother to check others. Or i am missing something here?
I adressed your behaviour, f.e. your attempt to create a false impression of their downvote behaviour to make yourself look more reasonable, before i called you a dumbass. But i get it, you’d rather let that one slide.
I’ll definitely keep chiming when you pull this in the future, as i don’t think your self righteous ass will take the ratio hint.
I think what you do is bad behaviour, worse than just somebody downvoting something. I have told you when i first saw you do this, but you’re still doing it.
What i say about you is what i think about you.
I think an obvious insult is nicer than trying to smear the person downvoting as some notorious downvoter with pretend “admin knowledge”.
I guess you’re a fan of this because they also called out your downvoters before. You are the good guys and the downvoters are the bad guys.
Oh you downvoted me because you think you’d be a great mod 😂
But you are not a mod here, thank god.
Making it seem like the person was following you around to harass downvote you, fucking dumbass.
Totally agree. But i don’t know if there is any hope, so many fedi people seem to not want any normies (people not working with computers i guess) entering.