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“The U.S. cannot treat Colombian migrants as criminals,” Petro wrote. Petro said even though there were 15,660 Americans without legal immigration status in Colombia, he would never carry out a raid to return handcuffed Americans to the United States. “We are the opposite of the Nazis,” he wrote, in a jab at Trump. Mexico also refused a request last week to let a U.S. military aircraft land with migrants.
Everyone needs to remember this is how the “Final Solution” started. They originally just wanted to deport everyone they didn’t like. Then other countries started saying No. so they came up with other ideas.
Who were… Legal citizens, yes? Deporting illegal migrants is not the same.
You realize you just defended death camps for non-citizens?
How is sending them to their home countries the same as sending them to death camps??
First of all, many countries, including Italy, are literally installing lagers in other countries (in Italy’s case Albania) to “take care” of illegal migrants, so they are not easily sent back.
Second, the place they come from could well be akin to a death camp for them.
Third, rules like those can be subtly change in a minute to acquire ever more vicious features.
Fourth, as Zexks said, things could escalate once those countries serving their xenophobic policies start caring about the internal externalities of such deals.
Most places in the world are not death camps. We live a pretty cushy life here, but even the disparity between us and most countries are equal to cushy or death camp.
On top of that, no one is completely stopping immigration. We still have an asylum law that is in effect. We’re just going to be screening people claiming asylum to make sure they actually need asylum. Nowhere near most of the people coming across the boarder need asylum, and even then, Mexico is perfectly safe for most people. They don’t have to come to the US. They just have to go to the nearest country not trying to kill them.
Yes, any rules can be changed, it’s how we got into this illegal immigration mess to begin with.
What other countries do are up to them, but we’re not responsible for the world population. If there’s a genuine need for asylum in the US, cool. Otherwise, no
No. Not after all their rights and their citizenship were taken away.
See that’s the thing a lot of people don’t understand. Fascists often use the law and the system to LEGALLY implement all their horrific shit. Just because something is the law does not make it right. Laws can be changed, thus we shouldn’t use them as an argument for what is and isn’t right.
Let’s just imagine for a moment that tomorrow Trump and his little friends push through some law that allows them to strip every person with Swedish ancestry (for example) of their citizenship. Suddenly they could be deported, sure. And it would all be legal. Would you think it was right?
Your government is already talking about taking away birthright citizenship. And the GOP has shown us they are perfectly happy stripping at the very least some people of some of their rights already. Are you telling me you don’t think it could get any worse? Are you telling me that as long as it’s legal, it’s okay?
There was no law changed to call them illegal. It’s not like they were here as citizens and then trump came in and revoked their citizenship. They entered illegally and have always been illegal. That’s the major difference.
Again, this is how it starts…
Good reading here:
https://www.nationalww2museum.org/war/articles/genocide-roma
"Prior to the Nazi regime taking power, Roma had been a subject of fascination and hatred in Europe. Though many viewed Roma as outsiders—and they were closely monitored by the authorities in Germany—the roughly one million Roma people in Europe lived diverse lives across the continent. Some Roma lived in caravans and traveled from town to town, selling horses and handcrafted products. Others lived in cities, towns, or villages doing a variety of jobs, from farming to fortune-telling to medicine.[3]
When the Nazi regime took over in 1933, little changed right away for the Roma. They were already subject to travel restrictions and investigations by the police. But in early 1934, a number of Roma came under threat from the “Law for the Prevention of Offspring with Hereditary Diseases.” This law legalized and encouraged forced sterilization for people who were considered medically likely to have children with a “defect” of some sort—disabilities, mental or physical, that the Nazi regime considered damaging to the “German race” and workforce. Between 1934 and 1945, over 300,000 people were forcibly sterilized, most of them women. Many of these women did not survive the procedure, which often had to be repeated, was extremely painful, and was often done without any anesthetic. In the 1930s, 500 German and Austrian Roma were sterilized.[4]
In 1935, there was another harsh blow to German Roma when the “Law for the Protection of German Blood and German Honor” was enacted. The first of the Nuremberg Laws, this law denied Jews their citizenship, banned marriages between members of “foreign races” and Germans, and took away political rights of so-called non-Germans.[5] Passed in September, the laws were expanded in November 1935 to include Roma. As a result, marriages were broken up, many Roma lost their jobs, and families faced destitution.
During this time, Roma began to face further restrictions on their lives. High rental prices, foreclosures, destruction of caravan sites, and harassment by the police were some of the ways the government controlled “Gypsy” populations. As part of a policy designed to “prevent” crime, Roma men capable of work were frequently rounded up and sent to concentration camps as “vagrants,” “work-shy,” or “asocial” prisoners. Families of traveling Roma were confined to small geographic areas, enabling the police to monitor them closely."
…how is forced sterilization along the lines of anything happening today with deportations?
Again, the denial of citizenship is where it starts, then the classification of “undesirable.” You are here.
Denial of citizenship is something every county does. Is every country on the verge of nazi-ism?
Taking someone who is a citizen and telling them “No, you aren’t, not anymore.” is NOT something every country does.
They’re not doing that.
The whole point of revoking birthright citizenship is EXACTLY that.
'cept that whole bit when he rips up asylum law and tries to EO away birthright citizenship?
I think you might have misunderstood the lesson that we’re taught about the Holocaust. It wasn’t important who Nazi Germany gurt, it’s what the Nazi’s did. Regardless of who they did it to. The Nazis threw away their own humanity to achieve their goals, that is always wrong. Everything else after that is just details. That’s what people are afraid of with Trump’s deportation mandate, that to actually achieve it migrants will need to be treated subhuman. To deport them as quickly as Trump wants America and American’s will have to throw away some more of their humanity. It’s not the same as Nazi Germany in that there aren’t death camps, but Trump and his allies want America to walk down that path a bit. It’s wrong.
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Wow, you didn’t live up to you username.
I mean, they do make you think of just how stupid someone can actually be, so maybe they do???