Vice President Kamala Harris' refusal to break with the Biden administration's support for Israel's assault on Gaza cost her millions of potential Democratic voters. Will the Democratic Party learn from this and listen to its voters who want leaders to oppose sending more weapons to Israel? #Gaza #ElectionImpact
You won’t have a hard time arguing that Donald Trump is a massive piece of garbage, but your comment presumes that Kamala Harris and the Democratic party are entitled to votes.
You’ll find there is a large portion of the Democratic base who are not motivated to vote for a pro-genocide candidate, which is exactly the entire point of this poll. The Democratic party needs to do better and stop fighting against the progressive wing of the party if they ever want to regain the trust of working class people. At a bare minimum you would expect them to respect international law.
Then again, they’re doing exactly what AIPAC and defense industry paid them to do, same as the Republicans.
My comment presumes her opponent was a rapist fascist dictator. But that wasn’t enough for Americans.
And the Democratic Party isn’t going to do better because it will only exist in name only from now on. You and others got what you wanted. Now you’re going to have to live with the consequences. If you live.
As someone who voted for her, if you could stop blaming others for having strong feelings regarding who they give their vote, that’d be very chill. At this point I am pretty comfortable telling you that you’re causing more division and strife than you are helping. And, as far as I last understood, you’re out of here, right? If you could do me a favor and stop demotivating those of us trying to stick it out and fix it, I’d take it as a kindness.
You know what I would have taken as a kindness? Not having a bunch of queerphobic bigots get put into power.
No, sorry, I won’t stop giving my opinion about the mistake America has made that has forced me to drop my entire life and pack everything into a couple of suitcases so that I can ensure my daughter is not taken away from me so that you can feel more motivated.
Abso-fucking-lutely not. My life has been destroyed by this. I will never see my elderly mother in person again. So you and anyone else who want me to shut up about the dire mistake America made are just out of luck. It will not happen.
(Gotta wonder if you would tell a refugee from another country where they had to flee to shut up about it because they were causing divisions back there.)
I just want to preface this that as a trans person I totally understand your fears and agree they are completely valid - however I also want to make you aware of your relative privilege (being able to pack up and leave the US) - compared to almost all Palestinians that cannot do the same on top of also not being able to see their parents - not because of immigration but because they’ve been blown up by American bombs.
I just want to point out that by blaming voters for not compromising on their values around human rights (instead of blaming the DNC for enabling genocide) - you’re showcasing that you personally care more about your child’s domestic rights being threatened than Palestinian children being killed - yes both are atrocious but I would hope that you can see how being killed right now should take precedence over likely (but avoidable) suffering down the line.
Instead you’re saying that your daughter’s safety is more important than middle eastern children dying (which for you personally is valid) - but you can’t claim that everyone else should care about your child’s potential struggles in the future vs other’s children’s deaths right now.
I just hope you will now become more understanding of the Palestinian struggle (as a refugee yourself) and will fight for the DNC to recognize both your rights and theirs as you now more viscerally understand how you’re both in the same boat.
Excuse me? How the fuck much more understanding do you want me to be? I’ve written hundreds of letters and made dozens of phone calls on behalf of JVP to try to stop American politicians from supporting Israel. Literally hours and hours of my time.
What the fuck have you done other than berate people on the internet for not caring as much as you do?
This doesn’t need to turn into a pissing contest as I see you care about the Palestinian cause.
I too have spent countless hours protesting on the ground, being threatened and followed by police, helping comrades deal with the abysmal legal system and some other things I don’t feel comfortable admitting on a public forum - but I don’t see this as justification to blame others for the voting choices they’ve made - I’ve used my privilege to help as much as I can - not because that allows me to “berate people on the internet for not caring as much” but because it’s the only thing that helps me sleep at night.
I’m glad you’re involved in the cause - I just wanted to highlight how we should have class solidarity against the ruling class and not divide ourselves based on who’s not voted for whom as if that’s what makes it or breaks it.
I’m glad you’re involved in the cause - I just wanted to highlight how we should have class solidarity against the ruling class and not divide ourselves based on who’s voted for whom as if that’s what makes it or breaks it.
Well then you did that poorly, because this was an accusation that I did not care enough and do not do enough when you did not actually know:
I just hope you will now become more understanding of the Palestinian struggle (as a refugee yourself) and will fight for the DNC to recognize both your rights and theirs as you now more viscerally understand how you’re both in the same boat.
So maybe reflect on how pointing fingers and making assumptions is not the best way to build solidarity.
Come on, stop being so divisive. Why are you getting upset at a group of people who’s actions directly contributed to empowering someone who put an anti vaxxer in charge of health, actively believes the greatest threat humanity has faced so far is a hoax and wants to strip your fellow citizens of rights. Can’t you just be a bit more understanding of the fact that they felt icky?
Fair, I can understand how it came across that way - I didn’t mean to blame anyone but the DNC for losing an election by not doing the one thing most of their voters wanted them to do.
Not only was she pro-genocide, but also an anti-immigration, pro-corporate, pro-police, and “maintain the status quo” candidate. I don’t know a single measure that one could use to make her seem left-wing.
The DNC did the same with Biden and Clinton and nearly lost both of those times too. It’s almost as if they want the Republicans to control everything if it means they don’t have to actually advance leftist policy that is good for the country. Even Obama’s crowning achievement was a Republican drafted healthcare plan that cemented the private medical insurance model into law.
You won’t have a hard time arguing that Donald Trump is a massive piece of garbage, but your comment presumes that Kamala Harris and the Democratic party are entitled to votes.
You’ll find there is a large portion of the Democratic base who are not motivated to vote for a pro-genocide candidate, which is exactly the entire point of this poll. The Democratic party needs to do better and stop fighting against the progressive wing of the party if they ever want to regain the trust of working class people. At a bare minimum you would expect them to respect international law. Then again, they’re doing exactly what AIPAC and defense industry paid them to do, same as the Republicans.
My comment presumes her opponent was a rapist fascist dictator. But that wasn’t enough for Americans.
And the Democratic Party isn’t going to do better because it will only exist in name only from now on. You and others got what you wanted. Now you’re going to have to live with the consequences. If you live.
As someone who voted for her, if you could stop blaming others for having strong feelings regarding who they give their vote, that’d be very chill. At this point I am pretty comfortable telling you that you’re causing more division and strife than you are helping. And, as far as I last understood, you’re out of here, right? If you could do me a favor and stop demotivating those of us trying to stick it out and fix it, I’d take it as a kindness.
You know what I would have taken as a kindness? Not having a bunch of queerphobic bigots get put into power.
No, sorry, I won’t stop giving my opinion about the mistake America has made that has forced me to drop my entire life and pack everything into a couple of suitcases so that I can ensure my daughter is not taken away from me so that you can feel more motivated.
Abso-fucking-lutely not. My life has been destroyed by this. I will never see my elderly mother in person again. So you and anyone else who want me to shut up about the dire mistake America made are just out of luck. It will not happen.
(Gotta wonder if you would tell a refugee from another country where they had to flee to shut up about it because they were causing divisions back there.)
I just want to preface this that as a trans person I totally understand your fears and agree they are completely valid - however I also want to make you aware of your relative privilege (being able to pack up and leave the US) - compared to almost all Palestinians that cannot do the same on top of also not being able to see their parents - not because of immigration but because they’ve been blown up by American bombs.
I just want to point out that by blaming voters for not compromising on their values around human rights (instead of blaming the DNC for enabling genocide) - you’re showcasing that you personally care more about your child’s domestic rights being threatened than Palestinian children being killed - yes both are atrocious but I would hope that you can see how being killed right now should take precedence over likely (but avoidable) suffering down the line.
Instead you’re saying that your daughter’s safety is more important than middle eastern children dying (which for you personally is valid) - but you can’t claim that everyone else should care about your child’s potential struggles in the future vs other’s children’s deaths right now.
I just hope you will now become more understanding of the Palestinian struggle (as a refugee yourself) and will fight for the DNC to recognize both your rights and theirs as you now more viscerally understand how you’re both in the same boat.
Excuse me? How the fuck much more understanding do you want me to be? I’ve written hundreds of letters and made dozens of phone calls on behalf of JVP to try to stop American politicians from supporting Israel. Literally hours and hours of my time.
What the fuck have you done other than berate people on the internet for not caring as much as you do?
This doesn’t need to turn into a pissing contest as I see you care about the Palestinian cause.
I too have spent countless hours protesting on the ground, being threatened and followed by police, helping comrades deal with the abysmal legal system and some other things I don’t feel comfortable admitting on a public forum - but I don’t see this as justification to blame others for the voting choices they’ve made - I’ve used my privilege to help as much as I can - not because that allows me to “berate people on the internet for not caring as much” but because it’s the only thing that helps me sleep at night.
I’m glad you’re involved in the cause - I just wanted to highlight how we should have class solidarity against the ruling class and not divide ourselves based on who’s not voted for whom as if that’s what makes it or breaks it.
Well then you did that poorly, because this was an accusation that I did not care enough and do not do enough when you did not actually know:
So maybe reflect on how pointing fingers and making assumptions is not the best way to build solidarity.
Come on, stop being so divisive. Why are you getting upset at a group of people who’s actions directly contributed to empowering someone who put an anti vaxxer in charge of health, actively believes the greatest threat humanity has faced so far is a hoax and wants to strip your fellow citizens of rights. Can’t you just be a bit more understanding of the fact that they felt icky?
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Fair, I can understand how it came across that way - I didn’t mean to blame anyone but the DNC for losing an election by not doing the one thing most of their voters wanted them to do.
Noted.
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Not only was she pro-genocide, but also an anti-immigration, pro-corporate, pro-police, and “maintain the status quo” candidate. I don’t know a single measure that one could use to make her seem left-wing.
The DNC did the same with Biden and Clinton and nearly lost both of those times too. It’s almost as if they want the Republicans to control everything if it means they don’t have to actually advance leftist policy that is good for the country. Even Obama’s crowning achievement was a Republican drafted healthcare plan that cemented the private medical insurance model into law.