• asdfasdfasdf@lemmy.world
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    6 hours ago

    I think they way most people see it is that anyone in their right mind has a point where murder is okay. WWII, for example - the vast majority of people understand it was okay to kill Nazis. The context was that the world had no choice but to go to war with them. It was either kill or be killed.

    We’re in the same situation here in the United States. Our political system is broken. Politicians are bought and sold by the 1%, and they will continue to kill us en masse no matter how many peaceful protests we join and whoever we vote for.

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      5 hours ago

      Not only is it that murder is ok for everyone at a certain point but its that we are conditioned to praise retributive violence and killing so long as the ones being beaten maimed and or killed are marginalized people whom the ultra wealthy see as sub human and their casualty benefit their end goals. Like all the non violent labor and civil rights protestors who have ended up bludgeoned by batons and less than lethal munitions, or targeted by extra judicial unconstitutional surveillance and suppression tactics such as yale used against pro Palestinian demonstrators over the last year. There are too many examples of this double standard to go over without writing a book as thick as the king james Bible.

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      5 hours ago

      I believe this is just not true. The US is one country. First-Past-The-Post system sucks but systematic change can happen. Its just… you guys elected Trump. I do not think the majority of Americans wants change bad enough. There is also no defeating the system through these actions. It would take a whole as insurrection, not one murder and I doubt anything good would come of it for the average American.

      Im European so I really sympathize with the struggle for a decent healthcare system for you guys. I just don’t think this is the right way.

      • First-Past-The-Post system sucks but systematic change can happen. Its just… you guys elected Trump.

        Systemic change is being made next to impossible due to the rampant legalised bribery and corruption at all levels of the political offices.

        How would you even go about going against the corporate oligarchy? Your candidates will get primaried and out-funded, your party colleagues will get bribed to vote against tackling these issues, and that’s all assuming you could get close enough to having enough candidates for all races across the country, you get your messaging picked up by the media and you somehow poll so high that strategic voters won’t split the vote, actively putting the worst party in charge instead.

        You’d somehow have to get elected, get enough supreme court justices pushed through and have them repeal Citizens United to even get started. That’s a tall order to ask from a political class that actively benefits from the current situation.

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          It should probably need to be a public grassroots movement. The public would need to be so outraged about the lack of change that democratically elected officials couldn’t ignore the needs of the public if they want to be taken seriously. Public strikes and protests can work. The media and public need to keep speaking out about this issue. Citizens movements and effective messaging is possible, even if you don’t have the corporate world to back you. And honestly most rich people that are not directly involved in healthcare shouldn’t really care. Like whats the benefit for you as someone wealthy to stop public healthcare if you yourself are not invested? You will still be able to purchase additional insurance if public insurance would ever become reality. You would still be able to pay for special treatments. I don’t see them fighting against this like slave-owners fighting against the abolishment of slavery.

          What I didn’t know… Is public healthcare actually made illegal by the supreme court? I’m not too deep into US law and such as I don’t personally live there. What are your thoughts?