Feminism does represent men’s issues, more than any other movement I would argue, and definitely more than any MRA ever has, it just doesn’t centre men’s issues, which is what you are used to, so you reject it because, for a change, something is entirely cantered around you.
You don’t care about equity and equality (which is what feminism is for), you care about maintaining your privilege which entitles you to everything in society being first and foremost aimed at and cantered around you. It’s the small token the patriarchy rewards you with to ensure you never join the fight against it as it fucks you up with shit like toxic masculinity and blames it all on feminism, and it’s obviously working.
Sigh. There was a moment when I first joined lemmy that I was impressed how liberal of a space it was. And then I wandered into the comments of posts concerning gender. Fuucking depressing. Really, people would benefit from a gender studies class, or even anthropology or family and society, but for some everything is an attack and I doubt they’ll listen.
Yeah, it’s almost fascinating to see how some people are able to confront some of how the systems we live under oppress and marginalise parts of society, but not if they happen to benefit from a particular system, in which case they will always prioritise their own interests, because, like you say, they’ve never learned any better (in fact, are actively taught the opposite deliberately to ensure the divide remains).
I generally don’t even bother replying to people like this anymore and just block, but this was so blatant I couldn’t help myself lol, it really brought to mind a couple of points others have already summed up better than I can:
When legislation ‘threatens’ to make shared custody the default (re: neither parent is unfit, and both want custody) instead of maternal, feminists fight it. NOW put out press releases saying that the only two reasons a man would ever fight for custody is 1) they’re abusing the mother and want to retain access to her 2) they’re a deadbeat trying to avoid child support payments. Men are so dehumanized in the feminist mind that the very notion that a man actually wants to raise his child does not even register as a possibility to them.
When lifetime alimony (specifically alimony that never expires) is challenged, feminists fight to keep it.
When men significantly outnumbered women in college (though only because they got free college via the GI Bill after being forcibly conscripted into the military, something women were never subjected to–in the early 1900s, the rate of men and women in college was the same ~9%), feminists were outraged, and countless programs/grants/incentives were created to fix this ‘injustice’. But presently, when women significantly outnumber men in college, feminists magically stopped giving a shit about sex disparity in universities.
When Erin Pizzey helped create domestic violence shelters for female victims of male abusers, she was a heroine to feminists. When she realized there are also male victims of female abusers, and wanted there to be shelters for them as well, she became ‘the enemy’ in their eyes, with not only censorship attempts by feminists, but her dog was fucking shot, on her property, on Christmas Eve that year.
Feminists point to a stat showing that 11% of journalists killed are women, to put out a “stop targeting women journalists” message. Similar happened with 1 of 4 women being homeless.
And that’s just what I care to mention while I’m on mobile.
Feminists have proved many times over that they don’t give a shit about men, nor about women who don’t fall in ideological line with them, for that matter. They’re special interest group that wants as much as they can get for themselves, no matter at whose expense it’s of. There is a good reason there is a huge gap between the percentage of the population that believe in sex equality, and the percentage that self-identifies as “feminist”.
Feminism is old and broken and divisive. Feminism doesn’t care for men at all. It’s set up for women.
In the UK when it was first created in 1976 it focused on mens and womens issues correctly but whatever this garbage movement is in the US is an abomination and doesn’t help anyone. Sure it brought problems to light but hasn’t solved shit because it wasn’t meant to. It was meant to keep men and women divided in the US. And it worked great.
Anytime someone says “tell me you know nothing about X without saying you know nothing about X” instead of in any way refuting the comment they’re replying to, it only shows that they’re the one who actually doesn’t know anything about it.
You know people read what you write right? Like people other than who you’re talking to? If you can refute them, then refute them, otherwise you’re just making your side look bad and you’re not making anything better except maybe you feel better patting yourself on the back with your pithy and original comment.
Anytime someone says “tell me you know nothing about X without saying you know nothing about X” instead of in any way refuting the comment they’re replying to, it only shows that they’re the one who actually doesn’t know anything about it.
No, it’s actually telling the person I’m replying to that their wilful ignorance is glaringly obvious, and that I have no interest in biting their poorly prepared bait. If they’ve very openly made zero effort, why the fuck should I make any?
You know people read what you write right? Like people other than who you’re talking to? If you can refute them, then refute them,
Why the fuck should I invest any of my time and emotional labour seriously replying to someone who clearly gets all their information exclusively from sources that confirm their bias, and have no interest in learning, but only asserting their confidently incorrect opinion, and having it confirmed back to them?
I actually wasted years doing exactly that, because I too believed the patriarchal lie that told me it was my job, and you know what?
THEY AREN’T LISTENING AND DON’T CARE
You want to refute them? Be my fucking guest, but don’t fucking demand it of others. I’ve learned from my mistakes and have better things to do with my life than waste it coddling misogynists, and it certainly isn’t my responsibility to hold their hand and walk them in to acting in their own best interests, when they’d rather be oppressive in return for the pittance the patriarchy gives them.
otherwise you’re just making your side look bad and you’re not making anything better except maybe you feel better patting yourself on the back with your pithy and original comment.
Lmmfao, says the person who inserted themselves in to a conversation for the sole purpose of demanding others do their work for them, while contributing absolutely nothing.
You’re just as big a part of the problem as the asshat I replied to, trying to shift the blame for misogynists on to feminists “not being nice enough” to them, but hey, you’re in good company, the biggest misogynists will always find a way to blame feminism for their actions and behaviour and avoid taking any accountability or responsibility for themselves.
Feminism does represent men’s issues, more than any other movement I would argue, and definitely more than any MRA ever has, it just doesn’t centre men’s issues, which is what you are used to, so you reject it because, for a change, something is entirely cantered around you.
You don’t care about equity and equality (which is what feminism is for), you care about maintaining your privilege which entitles you to everything in society being first and foremost aimed at and cantered around you. It’s the small token the patriarchy rewards you with to ensure you never join the fight against it as it fucks you up with shit like toxic masculinity and blames it all on feminism, and it’s obviously working.
Thank you. You have made my point 100 percent.
You will not be able to fem splain that you know more about issues facing men and boys than men. Now is the time for you to sit down and listen.
Sigh. There was a moment when I first joined lemmy that I was impressed how liberal of a space it was. And then I wandered into the comments of posts concerning gender. Fuucking depressing. Really, people would benefit from a gender studies class, or even anthropology or family and society, but for some everything is an attack and I doubt they’ll listen.
Yeah, it’s almost fascinating to see how some people are able to confront some of how the systems we live under oppress and marginalise parts of society, but not if they happen to benefit from a particular system, in which case they will always prioritise their own interests, because, like you say, they’ve never learned any better (in fact, are actively taught the opposite deliberately to ensure the divide remains).
I generally don’t even bother replying to people like this anymore and just block, but this was so blatant I couldn’t help myself lol, it really brought to mind a couple of points others have already summed up better than I can:
When legislation ‘threatens’ to make shared custody the default (re: neither parent is unfit, and both want custody) instead of maternal, feminists fight it. NOW put out press releases saying that the only two reasons a man would ever fight for custody is 1) they’re abusing the mother and want to retain access to her 2) they’re a deadbeat trying to avoid child support payments. Men are so dehumanized in the feminist mind that the very notion that a man actually wants to raise his child does not even register as a possibility to them.
When lifetime alimony (specifically alimony that never expires) is challenged, feminists fight to keep it.
When men significantly outnumbered women in college (though only because they got free college via the GI Bill after being forcibly conscripted into the military, something women were never subjected to–in the early 1900s, the rate of men and women in college was the same ~9%), feminists were outraged, and countless programs/grants/incentives were created to fix this ‘injustice’. But presently, when women significantly outnumber men in college, feminists magically stopped giving a shit about sex disparity in universities.
When Erin Pizzey helped create domestic violence shelters for female victims of male abusers, she was a heroine to feminists. When she realized there are also male victims of female abusers, and wanted there to be shelters for them as well, she became ‘the enemy’ in their eyes, with not only censorship attempts by feminists, but her dog was fucking shot, on her property, on Christmas Eve that year.
Feminists point to a stat showing that 11% of journalists killed are women, to put out a “stop targeting women journalists” message. Similar happened with 1 of 4 women being homeless.
And that’s just what I care to mention while I’m on mobile.
Feminists have proved many times over that they don’t give a shit about men, nor about women who don’t fall in ideological line with them, for that matter. They’re special interest group that wants as much as they can get for themselves, no matter at whose expense it’s of. There is a good reason there is a huge gap between the percentage of the population that believe in sex equality, and the percentage that self-identifies as “feminist”.
Feminism is old and broken and divisive. Feminism doesn’t care for men at all. It’s set up for women.
In the UK when it was first created in 1976 it focused on mens and womens issues correctly but whatever this garbage movement is in the US is an abomination and doesn’t help anyone. Sure it brought problems to light but hasn’t solved shit because it wasn’t meant to. It was meant to keep men and women divided in the US. And it worked great.
Lmfao, tell me you know nothing about feminism without saying you know nothing about feminism
If you are here to yell at people, you’re in the wrong space. You are only serving to prove my original point correct.
Anytime someone says “tell me you know nothing about X without saying you know nothing about X” instead of in any way refuting the comment they’re replying to, it only shows that they’re the one who actually doesn’t know anything about it.
You know people read what you write right? Like people other than who you’re talking to? If you can refute them, then refute them, otherwise you’re just making your side look bad and you’re not making anything better except maybe you feel better patting yourself on the back with your pithy and original comment.
No, it’s actually telling the person I’m replying to that their wilful ignorance is glaringly obvious, and that I have no interest in biting their poorly prepared bait. If they’ve very openly made zero effort, why the fuck should I make any?
Why the fuck should I invest any of my time and emotional labour seriously replying to someone who clearly gets all their information exclusively from sources that confirm their bias, and have no interest in learning, but only asserting their confidently incorrect opinion, and having it confirmed back to them?
I actually wasted years doing exactly that, because I too believed the patriarchal lie that told me it was my job, and you know what?
THEY AREN’T LISTENING AND DON’T CARE
You want to refute them? Be my fucking guest, but don’t fucking demand it of others. I’ve learned from my mistakes and have better things to do with my life than waste it coddling misogynists, and it certainly isn’t my responsibility to hold their hand and walk them in to acting in their own best interests, when they’d rather be oppressive in return for the pittance the patriarchy gives them.
Lmmfao, says the person who inserted themselves in to a conversation for the sole purpose of demanding others do their work for them, while contributing absolutely nothing.
You’re just as big a part of the problem as the asshat I replied to, trying to shift the blame for misogynists on to feminists “not being nice enough” to them, but hey, you’re in good company, the biggest misogynists will always find a way to blame feminism for their actions and behaviour and avoid taking any accountability or responsibility for themselves.
Well done? and fuck you. ¯\(ツ)/¯