• return2ozma@lemmy.worldOP
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    11 months ago

    2020: “Elect Biden and once he’s POTUS then we can push him left!” … They never pushed him left.

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      11 months ago

      So vote for the white nationalist Fascist instead?? Yeah that’s what the left should do.

      How about instead you get this drowning US democracy onto the safety of the beach then you can start resuscitating it.

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        11 months ago

        So vote for the white nationalist Fascist instead?? Yeah that’s what the left should do.

        Or maybe the right wing of the party should listen for the very first time.

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          11 months ago

          Hes tried to cancel student debt (and for some people he’s been successful), he’s taken steps to reform federal Marijuana laws, through his support of Ukraine he has effectively crippled one of our biggest enemies without the loss of a single American soldier, the economy under Biden is rebounding post covid with record low levels of unemployment, he’s passed pro lgbtq legislation, improved access to care for veterans, put more minorities and women in government positions, including one on the Supreme Court, than any other president in history. The list goes on.

          The meme is that Joe Biden is a confused old man. He is old, but he’s one of the most effective politicians in our lifetime. I don’t agree with all of his policies but don’t get sucked into the lies and falsehoods that are spreading across the internet.

          Sometimes I think it’s better for people to think about what history books will show in 30 years. When the dust settles and we look back at a president’s legacy it’s often a much different story than when we were living through it. When Nixon was in the white house the county was divided with many people supporting him even as Watergate blew up. But do we remember the position of those people? No. They were wrong. When emotions were taken out of the equation and historians could go back and look at what actually happened we learned just how much of a racist criminal piece of shit Nixon was, how he killed thousands of service men and civilians for political gain. None of this is disputed, it’s just the facts of how things played out. Biden and Trump will get the same treatment. I don’t think anyone with half a brain has any illusions about what they will say about trump, but if we solely went by Bidens presidency up to now and gave it that treatment he would be seen favorably. That might not be what you would like to hear, but it’s the objective truth.

          Now you are correct, the dems need to be hammering the shit out of this message and make sure people don’t get fooled by the misinformation that gets spread invariably around election time, but to suggest nothings been accomplished and that the dems haven’t done anything is categorically false.

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            11 months ago

            he’s taken steps to reform federal Marijuana laws

            “We’re looking into it” isn’t an accomplishment. But I’m sure you can whip this into “He’s the most pro-cannabis president in the past 730 years!” or whatever nonsense puffery centrists use when they want progressives to accept changing nothing as progress.

            If you want your other claims to have credibility, don’t mix them with bullshit.

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              11 months ago

              I disagree completely. I think there’s a need to do it the right way and so far that is all tracking along. My belief is that he’s going to make a point of federally decriminalizing right before the election. Yes it hasn’t happened yet, but we are closer than we have ever been and hes the most pro decriminalization president we have ever had. Full stop.

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                11 months ago

                I disagree completely. I think there’s a need to do it the right way and so far that is all tracking along. My belief is that he’s going to make a point of federally decriminalizing right before the election.

                Until it happens, it’s not an accomplishment.

                hes the most pro decriminalization president we have ever had. Full stop.

                Whaddaya know. You said the thing. I don’t give credit for pretending to try.

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          11 months ago

          Maybe people should wake the fuck up, think rationally and realised that there is one party in this game that at least has a sense of government obligations to the parts of society that need extra help, and for the greater good, and another party that has taken money from the people and funneled it into the hands of billionaires, openly oppressed the majority of the population and ARE OPENLY FUCKING FASCIST.

          But the " Dems aren’t doing enough"

          Fuck me.

          This isn’t even considering the captured media landscape, the dark money from faceless corporate interests, the nation states and fucked up billionaire macavellian wanna be dickheads that all flows to keeping the Dems down and the fascist machine rolling.

          But the " Dems aren’t doing enough"

          Fuck me.

          Wake up. Look around. Vote. Fight Fascism.

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            11 months ago

            Wake up. Look around. Vote. Fight Fascism.

            By voting for the party that has been fighting progressives and capitulating to fascists for decades now.

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      11 months ago

      Precisely. It was a steaming crock of shit then, and has no credibility as a message now.