A majority of Britons support rejoining the European Union's single market even though that would mean the restoration of the free movement of workers from the bloc, according to a poll published on Wednesday.
No, there is exactly nothing useful about daily polls how you would vote if the election that is actually happening in 3-4 years is tomorrow. It has zero worth as information and is only used for the also daily “see, that party got another 0.5%, they will totally be the one ruling party soon/we nend to fight them before they take over!” polarizing bullshit destroying democracies.
There is even less use, when a lot of these polls from (always the same) questionable sources are used by (always the same) publications for their narratives.
This has nothing to do with information and transparency anymore, but a lot with manipulation and propaganda.
Shit takes and bad interpretations do not invalidate the utility of polling.
Yes, they do. Companies are paid for these polls. Today, tomorrow, again next week. They don’t refine their data (usual polling data isn’t changing that quickly), they refine how to get the answer they want. Those polls also don’t show the reaction of public opinion on policies (again those don’t change every other day) for transparency. They show how yesterday’s rage-inducing lie on the front page worked and how it compares to today’s to refine manipulation tactics.
Do you throw it every scientific study that doesn’t meet your ridiculous criteria as well?
No I’m talking about always the same polls overvaluing one option being always used by the publications pushing that story again and again.
So you have an actual argument or do you want to keep attacking half a dozen strawman arguments you found between the line I never wrote?
“Oh, No! Someone diagrees with me! Let’s find a couple of things he never actually said and then attack him repeatedly for being anti-science!!”
Are you even serious or is this just trolling at this point?
PS: Yes, a lot of different people do polls. Actually using those, or doing a weighted avarage or just mentioning they exist would be an improvement. But it is not happening, because publications always work with the same polling whose result are beneficial for that publication.
No, unlike you I know what I’m talking about. I know how YouGov does their polls. I know how YouGov was wrong at Scotlands Referendum 2014. I know how they were also wrong with their polls for the Brexit referendum, and also which publications constantly referenced them as a reason to “stay calm… UK will not leave the EU”, which obviously contributed to lower turnout on the anti-Brexit side. And I know -again unlike you- why always the people wanting to tell a story about UK’s EU support are referencing YouGov polls. Because they are always overvalueing certain positions again and again.
“Would you choose to undergo an elective surgery to fix your broken leg if it had a 20% chance of killing you?”
Would you chonge your mind if you heard how the chance of getting killed now is 0.05% lower next day. Then another 0.1 higher 3 days later? Oh, and on saturdays your chances to die actually go down to 19%. Unless it’s in a month with an “R”. Oh, and the guy doing the procdure has his own stats that show a 3% lower risk, even 4% if you’re favorite color is green.
That’s an actual analogy of the amount of polls we are flooded with. And that’s also perfectly describing their accuracy and worth.
Do proper polls with a detailed analysis about their methodology once in a while to stay in contact with public opinion and shifts of it. Constantly doing polls again and again for your latest story, always picked from the polling group you know will lean more to your desired result however is nothing more than a tool to give credibility to a narrative.
No, there is exactly nothing useful about daily polls how you would vote if the election that is actually happening in 3-4 years is tomorrow. It has zero worth as information and is only used for the also daily “see, that party got another 0.5%, they will totally be the one ruling party soon/we nend to fight them before they take over!” polarizing bullshit destroying democracies.
There is even less use, when a lot of these polls from (always the same) questionable sources are used by (always the same) publications for their narratives.
This has nothing to do with information and transparency anymore, but a lot with manipulation and propaganda.
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Yes, they do. Companies are paid for these polls. Today, tomorrow, again next week. They don’t refine their data (usual polling data isn’t changing that quickly), they refine how to get the answer they want. Those polls also don’t show the reaction of public opinion on policies (again those don’t change every other day) for transparency. They show how yesterday’s rage-inducing lie on the front page worked and how it compares to today’s to refine manipulation tactics.
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No I’m talking about always the same polls overvaluing one option being always used by the publications pushing that story again and again.
So you have an actual argument or do you want to keep attacking half a dozen strawman arguments you found between the line I never wrote?
“Oh, No! Someone diagrees with me! Let’s find a couple of things he never actually said and then attack him repeatedly for being anti-science!!”
Are you even serious or is this just trolling at this point?
PS: Yes, a lot of different people do polls. Actually using those, or doing a weighted avarage or just mentioning they exist would be an improvement. But it is not happening, because publications always work with the same polling whose result are beneficial for that publication.
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No, unlike you I know what I’m talking about. I know how YouGov does their polls. I know how YouGov was wrong at Scotlands Referendum 2014. I know how they were also wrong with their polls for the Brexit referendum, and also which publications constantly referenced them as a reason to “stay calm… UK will not leave the EU”, which obviously contributed to lower turnout on the anti-Brexit side. And I know -again unlike you- why always the people wanting to tell a story about UK’s EU support are referencing YouGov polls. Because they are always overvalueing certain positions again and again.
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Would you chonge your mind if you heard how the chance of getting killed now is 0.05% lower next day. Then another 0.1 higher 3 days later? Oh, and on saturdays your chances to die actually go down to 19%. Unless it’s in a month with an “R”. Oh, and the guy doing the procdure has his own stats that show a 3% lower risk, even 4% if you’re favorite color is green.
That’s an actual analogy of the amount of polls we are flooded with. And that’s also perfectly describing their accuracy and worth.
Do proper polls with a detailed analysis about their methodology once in a while to stay in contact with public opinion and shifts of it. Constantly doing polls again and again for your latest story, always picked from the polling group you know will lean more to your desired result however is nothing more than a tool to give credibility to a narrative.