What happens in November is up to Biden – it will not be the fault of the protest voter if Trump is elected. The questions remain: does the Democratic party fear Trump as much as we do? And does it value its voters enough to shift away from an approach to the onslaught in Gaza that a majority of Democratic voters are against?

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    yeah thats what we are saying.

    and if both options mean genocide (or one is only less bad about it, whatever that means) them its time to reconsider if you truly live in a democracy

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      US democracy is weak. With first past the post voting, a two party system is inevitable. But not voting Biden because he is “genocidal” is the dumbest excuse ever.

      Fight to change the voting system, but don’t fight it by getting a literal fascist elected. Because that’s what you are responsible for if you don’t vote.

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        What’s dumb is putting “genocidal” in scare quotes and acting like genocide is not actually that big of a deal. I won’t vote for Biden or Trump because I value my vote too much to give it to an evil scumbag, red or blue. I’ll vote for Jill Stein or Cornel West.

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          Look, the humanitarian situation in Gaza is indisputably horrible and it’s absolutely the fault of Israel’s government. It may very well be genocide. International investigations will show.
          Right now, it’s a war zone and it’s very hard to gather reliable evidence. That’s why I put it in quotes.

          Not voting for Biden on this single issue is insane. It directly benefits Trump who, other than Biden, won’t try to ease the situation. He will actively make the conflict worse. He’ll also do his best to dismantle what is left of US democracy and worsen the lives of millions of people.

          Fight for a better voting system. Protest against Biden’s foreign policy. But please don’t throw away your vote and give the world another term of Trump.

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          How will stein or West get past 270?

          They can’t

          Congrats you’re still helping trump.

          Logic really isn’t your strong suit is it?

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            You could equally argue I’m helping Biden by not voting for Trump. So tell me Professor Logic, what does it mean if the same reasoning can be used to argue that I’m helping both Biden and Trump?

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          So which is it? Jill Stein or Cornel West? You can’t vote for both and I suspect that if you were being sincere you would know.

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            The most salient fact for me is that they are both against genocide, so no, I don’t know. I might flip a coin. I could even vote for De La Cruz. I guess I’m just a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma!

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          I guess if you live in an already decided stronghold state then go vote for whatever you want. Otherwise, don’t let a fantasy get in the way of the only obvious option if you like democracy.

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            Otherwise, don’t let a fantasy get in the way of the only obvious option if you like democracy genocide.