Wasn’t one of the reasons that the long term effects of puberty blockers weren’t known, and therefore caution was advised? I might be misremembering though.
They started being prescribed in the 80s for the reason im talking about. For the US they were approved in 1993.
While not prescribed widely, there’s been more than enough for a sample size.
When people say “studies need to be done” they’re arguing for double blind studies where children might get the real drug, and may get a placebo. And they want the whole sample to be kids who may want to transition.
It’s not ethical to do a study like that, and you literally can’t do a long-term study like that with this, it’s kind of obvious when puberty still happens… The placebo group should just be kids not on puberty blockers compared to kids on blockers. And those studies exist and have for a long time.
The whole argument is dishonest and designed to make people not familiar with science think they’re the reasonable ones.
They’re not.
They’re just ignorant and opinionated.
Which is the last demographic we should be listening to on scientific research.
You should do though. Not necessarily on the topic, but a group who definitely know what you were just told when they spouted off about the lack of evidence, effectively tried to gaslight you with “scientific process”.
I think we need to normalise being pissed off at being lied to like this. You don’t need to become a pro-trans advocate but you can still say “fuck’em” to the people demonstrably deceiving you.
You’re deceptive too. The motivations of this law are not purely transphobia and you damn well know that. This isn’t that black and white. There’s scientific conjecture on both sides of this issue. Not having a strong opinion on some things us what this society needs. Not outraged mobs like you.
What part of my comments were deceptive? I didn’t comment on the law, or the scientific “conjecture” on both sides. I encouraged a user to be upset that someone told them an obvious lie; I even pointed out that they don’t have to be pro-trans to be angered by that.
I’m not a mob, I’m not outraged, I’m irked on principle that obvious claptrap is being used as a tool to bamboozle those with less time to think about things. If the strength of scientific conjecture was so strong surely the debate could rest on actual science, not proposing disingenuous sub-ethical studies. I didn’t comment on any of what you’ve accused me of…until now.
The reason it can’t is stand on its own scientific merits is because, though it would be great for anti-trans campaigners if it did, the science doesn’t really back their view-point of “gender realism”. It’s not a scientific debate, it’s one of social and emotive balance. I think that trans-men are men, and trans-women are women; both as it costs me nothing to recognise this, and because the science of “gendered brains” doesn’t slightly support the notion that gonad sex, and gender, are 1:1 aligned.
Frankly the irony of you coming in and accusing me of being an outraged mob is ridiculous. The only mob antics on display are yours, strawmanning and accusing me of things simply not present in my post.
Wasn’t one of the reasons that the long term effects of puberty blockers weren’t known, and therefore caution was advised? I might be misremembering though.
Yep, you are.
They started being prescribed in the 80s for the reason im talking about. For the US they were approved in 1993.
While not prescribed widely, there’s been more than enough for a sample size.
When people say “studies need to be done” they’re arguing for double blind studies where children might get the real drug, and may get a placebo. And they want the whole sample to be kids who may want to transition.
It’s not ethical to do a study like that, and you literally can’t do a long-term study like that with this, it’s kind of obvious when puberty still happens… The placebo group should just be kids not on puberty blockers compared to kids on blockers. And those studies exist and have for a long time.
The whole argument is dishonest and designed to make people not familiar with science think they’re the reasonable ones.
They’re not.
They’re just ignorant and opinionated.
Which is the last demographic we should be listening to on scientific research.
Fair. I don’t have a strong opinion on the matter.
You should do though. Not necessarily on the topic, but a group who definitely know what you were just told when they spouted off about the lack of evidence, effectively tried to gaslight you with “scientific process”.
I think we need to normalise being pissed off at being lied to like this. You don’t need to become a pro-trans advocate but you can still say “fuck’em” to the people demonstrably deceiving you.
You’re deceptive too. The motivations of this law are not purely transphobia and you damn well know that. This isn’t that black and white. There’s scientific conjecture on both sides of this issue. Not having a strong opinion on some things us what this society needs. Not outraged mobs like you.
What part of my comments were deceptive? I didn’t comment on the law, or the scientific “conjecture” on both sides. I encouraged a user to be upset that someone told them an obvious lie; I even pointed out that they don’t have to be pro-trans to be angered by that. I’m not a mob, I’m not outraged, I’m irked on principle that obvious claptrap is being used as a tool to bamboozle those with less time to think about things. If the strength of scientific conjecture was so strong surely the debate could rest on actual science, not proposing disingenuous sub-ethical studies. I didn’t comment on any of what you’ve accused me of…until now.
The reason it can’t is stand on its own scientific merits is because, though it would be great for anti-trans campaigners if it did, the science doesn’t really back their view-point of “gender realism”. It’s not a scientific debate, it’s one of social and emotive balance. I think that trans-men are men, and trans-women are women; both as it costs me nothing to recognise this, and because the science of “gendered brains” doesn’t slightly support the notion that gonad sex, and gender, are 1:1 aligned.
Frankly the irony of you coming in and accusing me of being an outraged mob is ridiculous. The only mob antics on display are yours, strawmanning and accusing me of things simply not present in my post.