Hey, anybody remember 12ish years ago when Alex Jones’ worst fear was that Obama was going to use executive power to order the military to be deployed on American soil, violating Posse Comitatus, to massively round up and inter a bunch of Americans in FEMA reducation / death camps?
Anyone?
No one?
Whoo boy, growing up in a fundamentalist Christian household where I was the only one to go to college and everyone else became a Q Anon zombie sure was fuuuunnnnn!
With conservatives every accusation is just projection
Damn. I feel you. I wrote mine a cease and desist and moved 700mi.
I successfully ghosted mine to the point that they probably think I am dead.
Also moved many hundreds of miles away lol.
You read well enough to create a chosen family. Best of luck!
All in due time, thanks for the well wishes =D
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I don’t remember that actually. I’m not saying he didn’t say those things. I’m just saying that I never listened to a word that mouth breather said.
I know that feel. Worst part is that probably will happen to us
Being from austin and listening to him on the radio way back while driving occasionally yea I member
I remember that. He would usually say martial law. I think national emergencies are different and invoked more often by both Dems and GOP. Could be wrong
I guess if it was just illegal immigrants then it wouldn’t be Americans, so it wouldn’t be what they feared. But very close.
Wrong community. This dystopia is about get real interesting, real fast 😬
I would’ve rather had it not be a dystopia, but silver lining and all that.
Gee, I wonder what the solution will be if other countries wont take our undesirables.
War?
I for one am a bit interested with what happens when they target natives?
Candy canes and free showers.
To declare a “National Emergency”, he probably needs a cause. How does American law deal with those “National Emergency” situations? Does he need some proof? Does he need confirmation from somewhere?
You can’t beat Trump’s brand of fascism with spineless morally flexible subservient people. People are going to have to fight back do what they can. Dems are already rolling over in advance and some are going to fight with what resources they have. It is going to be rough.
The dems are the wimpy kids who internalized being nice to their bullies will somehow earn them respect and show they are the better people. In reality their abusers only hold them in even more contempt and spit at them at every turn.
When again are americans using their right to bear arms to protect themselves against an authoritarian government? If you dont do it now never again use this argument for the second amendment.
A lot of Americans don’t feel this is authoritarian and actually welcome it. They would love to have Trump as president for life.
Yeah and that is one the reasons the argument is dumb. Fascists often are supported by big parts of the population. They arent going to be displaced by them. Especially in america
If any of us actually find ourselves in that situation, it would be unwise to post about it on the internet, even if someone is calling you a phoney.
Every post we make here is getting recorded by the NSA.
Plus the NSA knows the weapon supply stock of the US Armory and no matter how many rounds the avg “patriotic” gravy seal might have.
Literally no way to stand up to the gear the US military has, our real hope is some how not letting trump purge the military to break the laws.
ISIS and the Taliban stood up to America with worse. And no American soldiers agreed with the Taliban.
When again are americans using their right to bear arms to protect themselves against an authoritarian government?
Our arms don’t exactly match theirs. The military has a lot more budget than citizens.
Right, which is why the whole 2nd amendment argument is silly in this day and age.
Dude, if they didn’t rise up when the kids were cages during Trump’s first term then it is clear they are the brownshirts.
If we go by the text, only “americans” have that right. Now, the important question is “what is an american”? What characterizes a “non-american” according to the founding fathers?
White male wealthy supremacists?
I don’t doubt that is how the current supreme court would interpret it. This approach of asking “how the founding fathers would think” results in exclusion of non-white citizens. On the other hand, lack of atandardized identification documents in the USA result in this mess.
Also the definition of what the founding fathers had of white was extremely different. It was only people from Britain that were white. The English, Scottish, and Welsh. No one else. Not the Germans, Irish, or Swedes even.
Are you under the impression that the founding fathers weren’t slave holders themselves?
No
Dammit! Foiled by racists once again!
…you’d think I’d put /s, but no.
The bill of rights applies to anyone standing on American soil regardless of if they are a citizen, a legal resident, a refugee, or even here “illegally”.
They have the right to bear arms (per their states laws), they have the right to freedom of speech, assembly and religion, they have the right to due process and protection from unreasonable search and seizure. The constitution doesn’t distinguish citizens from non citizens when it comes to their rights.
A lot of what trump says he’s gonna do isn’t possible unless the constitution gets suspended. Which is unlikely but not impossible.
Genocide Joe continued Trump’s attacks on refugees, so now Trump feels like he has to go even harder.
I’d say that the Overton Window is certainly weaponized by the right-wing.
Careful don’t trigger the libs!
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Im a woman. If the democrats gave a fuck about women well they’ve had FIFTY MOTHERFUCKING YEARS to codify roe but cynically fundraised off it instead.
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Wow triggered incel much?
Everybody look at the lib! Scratch them and they’re fascist!
I voted third party you fuck.
Time to get used to hunger
You can always quit meat! The “middlemen” eat more vegetation than you would directly.
You really saw this and thought “great opportunity to shill veganism”
Get used to hunger
What is so fucked up is how incredibly ignorant and stupid Trump and his policymaker picks are… like when they talk about how the tarifs would skyrocket the prices of basic imported foods (foods that CANNOT be grown anywhere in the United States) their response was ‘maybe Americans shouldn’t be eating those foods’.
This is fucking insane. I mean are they aware that the only place that coffee can be grown in the entirety of the United States is Hawaii? And I guarantee you, every single bit of coffee grown there will not be anywhere near enough to meet the demand that Americans have. What about chocolate? You like Chocolate? The overwhelming majority of chocolate in the world is grown in West Africa. But that is besides the point. There would be no chocolate for the average American as it would be simply too expensive. Most chocolate on the market today only contains a small bit of chocolate anyway, the other crap is just fat and sugar. After Trump does his tarifs it will be ALL fat and sugar and anything containing real chocolate will be an absolute luxury that no regular American will afford.
I could go on forever. But I am sure you realize just how FUCKED people are going to be. And don’t think for one moment that it is going to be an exclusively American problem. I am a Canadian, but a shitload of food products here are also packaged and manufactured in the United States, meaning that the price those companies, like the Kraft-Heinz (which is the 2nd largest food manfucturer in the world) have to pay for their ingredients will mean that the price for everyone will go up, even if they don’t live in the United States.
You’re absolutely right, I’m just worrying more about mass starvation than about coffee and chocolate. This is the practice run before climate change famine.
In Canada due to serious price gouging by supermarket retailers have been doing is resulting in MASSIVE food waste (people simply cannot buy the shit anymore, and what do they do? Just throw away tons upon tons of perfectly good food), and what is even more outrageous is that the price for some critical produce is actually so high that in some places there are cases of scurvy, which the company addresses as a big ‘so what? Here are some steps…’ as if it is the most normal thing in the world…
The only time I ever heard of scurvy in my life was when I was reading history books about pirates and old-timey sea travel where long-voyages in times without refrigeration and lack of nutritional understanding meant that the food they ate was seriously lacking in most vitamins, so sailors would get diseases like scurvy that no one living on land could ever get… yet now we’re living in a time that where we are surrounded by vitamin enriched everything and people are getting that crap because they cannot afford it due to gouging and landlords wanting to bring back 19th century slum stuffing…
Oh look at what you made me do, waste all this food.
Due to all this waste I have no choice but to raise prices to compensate.
The prices will continue to rise until morale improves.
CONSUME.
But we got no money to consume?
They’ll just create new farmland for previously unused parts of the US for coffee, chocolate, rice, avocados, bananas… In Alaska for example, there’s lots of empty land there. They’ve thought of everything.
Trump will just draw, with sharpie, on a map, where food is grown and BAM that’s where it’s from now.
What a stable genius!
At first I was like ‘ugh’ but then I was like ‘LOL!’ when you mentioned Alaska.
In a few decades Alaska could be viable.
You got me again! At first I was like ‘OK, how the FUCK is Alaska going to be good for Tropical… ooooooohhhhh shhhhhiiiiiitttt!’ and then I realized you meant climate change making it super warm.
Don’t forget to put all the books in a pile and set fire to them. And smash their shop windows.
They have been doing that for years against the ‘wokes’ all the while publishing books that they claim the wokes want to burn when they never did. In their minds anything other than unmitigated cheerleading and throwing support is tantamount to a book burning.
Undocumented Immigrants Contribute Nearly $100 Billion in Taxes a Year
If he actually succeeds in doing this, guess who’s going to be made to fill in that hole.
If you lived in the 80’s, you know where you’re going with this.
Prisons. Good old indentured servitude.
Get ready for more jaywalking arrests.
Yup.
This is step one to collapsing Social Security and Medicare.
Knee cap all the funding from folks who never collect on it, then say, see? It’s collapsing earlier than we thought.
Illegals aren’t growing crops, prisons step in, now prisons are growing crops, now prisons are profiteering from growing crops, higher food prices despite the ““free”” labor as they have conflicts with farmers…
messy messy messy situation
Great if you own a prison, tho.
Isn’t this basically the start of how megacorps destroyed the agriculture industry in Cyberpunk?
Obviously the answer is to tax billionaires, but that’s never going to happen.
The funny part is that that is still likely less that a bus load of billionairs actually paying their taxes like the rest of us do.
Kids that aren’t even born yet (debt spending).
I’m writing a story where children are immediately under a birth debt once they are born and its an entire generations dream to get out from under that debt.
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Please deport me harder orange man.
Nice, by the book. The fascist admin guide as seen in most of Europe, recently
Drive through rural America and see how many underpopulated small towns there are. Shuttered businesses for lack of customers. Abandoned buildings. These places need people.
It’s kind of wild to me how many really small towns there are in the US. About 32% of towns in the U.S. have less than 500 residents.
For comparison, here in Brazil I lived most of my life in a town with ~35K residents and it was already considered a small rural town. Some of my family lives in a neighboring town with ~11K residents, and even in my hometown people joke about how small it is, and that there’s basically nothing going on there. 1288 of towns in Brazil have less than 5K residents, or about 23.1%, and there are no towns with less than 500 residents. Meanwhile in the US 76% of towns have less than 5K residents.
Again, it’s just kind of wild to me. I remember playing (reading?) the Echo VN and thinking “Man, a dying town with only 50 people? That doesn’t sound realistic,” but apparently that’s way more common than I thought.
My slightly educated guess would be that’s a consequence of America’s race westward in the 1800’s, only stopping long enough to annihilate the indigenous population and set up a rest stop for the next batch.
Railroads played big role. Trains needed more water or coal to run the engine. So every 15 to 20 miles or so, depending on terrain, a water depot was erected, and there a new town popped up. Some survived. Some didnt. Few are thriving. Just pull up a map and follow a rail line in the great plains region of the usa. Then just measure it out. Its impossible to miss once you notice it.
The same thing happened again when they built the interstates. Pixar made a documentary about it with talking cars.
Bingo, the town I went to school in had barely 500 people when the school which had taken over for two other closed schools kids. It’s even less now. My grade was the largest at 32 kids too. There were former “towns” dotted all over from the rush west where train tracks used to be. All gone now and just somewhere used for cow shelter in the winter. These towns were simply stops for railroad cars to result water on the route west. Once that wasn’t needed the slow march to 0 began. My nearest non family member was over 7 miles away. There is a lot of interior USA that is really sparsely populated and is really just returning to pre colonial eras of mainly giant farmland or grazing pastures.
Precolonial big ag? What on earth are you talking about?
Population sizes in pre colonial times.
It’s more modern than that. I don’t have time to look for stats, but I believe there’s been general migration to cities for like half a century or more
Of course, but I’m talking about why all these little towns existed in the first place. It’s not like they were all bustling metropolises before everyone left. ;)
The stereotype is always a coal mining town. There used to be a mine employing many people, but now it’s automated or the mine played out
The town I grew up in was a bustling town with one dominant employer. When that employer moved out it left a big gap and an entire generation of younger people moved away
The town my father grew up in was never bustling. However it was a significant center of a rural area with many family farms. By the time I was growing up, those farms were no longer economical, so people moved away and there’s no need for a population center
A small town I used to visit all the time was once a bustling tourist town, but no one goes there anymore. It’s really just regional now, instead of the busy season drawing people from anywhere between Montreal and NYC. It’s probably cheap flying as much as anything else: who wants to vacation on a cold beach when you can hop a flight down south for the same cost
A lot were busy manufacturing, mining, or farming towns.
The mines run out or become unprofitable.
The manufacturing has largely moved to out of the states, or been automated.
And big farms and grocery stores have squeezed independent farmers out of everywhere but the farmers markets near rich cities.
We also have “towns” that are insufficient in size and unlisted or are under another towns “address”. A town near me has less than 1000 people and that includes the towns under it that are 3-5mi apart.
One of my friends lives in what used to be considered a town. Currently it has a population of like 10 people 4 of which are their family and another is one of their roommates. It is now part of the nearest town about 20 miles away and makes for some logistical novelties like mail delivery and school bus routes
Funny thing is that even the immigrants are smart enough to know the shouldn’t settle in these places because they’re going down the toilet. But the locals? We’re being ignored! Save our useless town with no economic prospects, no educated workforce, and no infrastructure to support anything worthwhile! No, of course we won’t move!. …while they proceed to vote against any social policy that might help them or their future generations out of their trap.
No, of course we won’t move
Try “Can’t”
I don’t know why you city slickers think packing up all your shit and moving into a new house in a new town is free, but it isn’t. We ARE being ignored, worse than that, we’re being left to die.
You wanna get me outta the ruins of farmland? Send a bus to pick me up, make sure there’s a two month paid in advance hotel waiting for me when I get there, and have me a job waiting.
Fwiw (I sure hope this is not an empty platitude), as a trans woman who’d love to be able to feel safe outside of cities in blue states, who very much knows and experienced that it’s not free:
You’re absolutely right.
I read this back early 2016, been reeling from it ever since: https://morecrows.wordpress.com/2016/05/10/unnecessariat/
We have been divided by the american mythos of “pinko city slicker vs rugged indvidualist rednecks” and the truth is it’s all so the boss can take the whole plate of cookies, while scapegoating your brown/queer/whatever co-worker “He’s gonna eat your cookie”
I refuse, at least for my inner child anyway, to surrender the love I have for my fellow common person, regardless of where you’re from. Sweeping generalization.
There’s lots of blame to go around. Big Pharma, Politicians, the way in which the midwest and south’s entire economies that were always built on the idea of very high capital using extractive methods to get resources out of the land either cotton or mining or oil or water or agri business, those economies always depend on a few people with a lot of money, and then a whole bunch of people who are poor.
I blame them, not you. I see you. We are not alone. There has got to be a better way.
Yeah. I get that. I’m actually super aware of the difficulty in upending your life and spending years making shit money with the hope it will get better. I’ve done it.
But seeing as you “country bumpkins” (are we really doing lousy stereotypes?) constantly tell others to pick themselves up by their bootstraps while undercutting social programs as well I figure it was fair game. Y’know, the same people working jobs that minimum wage hasn’t kept up with for more than a decade but keep getting told those jobs aren’t supposed to support a living. No, of course you won’t move. No, you don’t want anything that might change the situation either. No, you won’t take advantage of loans or other assistance and upend your life to make a major change, because doing that sucks and is risky. But that thought process never applies to other people. Crabs in a bucket. Just reinstate some magical yesteryear that in reality pretty much sucked just as bad except for the part where mom still made dinners for you. Your comment is in a nutshell all of this. We won’t change, and fuck those fictional guys over there for taking advantage of a system that doesn’t actually exist.
I’m actually in a blue county, rural blue areas exist. We know the Republicans wanna eat us, but we wanna know why the Democrats aren’t doing anything outside of barely keeping the wolves at bay.
We’re not dumb, we know the Republicans will end social programs keeping us alive, but we all see the writing on the wall. We know that we will die here.
I find it hard to disagree with anything you said. Having lived in towns small enough to make someone say “There’s a town here?” That is definitely the case.
But the rural parts are also extremely unwelcoming. I have a remote job and those places are typically beautiful and cheap. But it’s Trump country where everyone hates people of color, lgbtq, people of no religion, and anyone different. New money could be injected there plenty by the openness of digital work, but who wants to go be surrounded by hate and Trump supporters?
Sorry, not generalizing about you specifically, but the areas for sure.
This is why I want to move out to the country to not have to interact with anyone. Acres of land and not another soul in sight is the way.
I actually live in a Blue County…
I mean, I did too, but Texas was so batshit being in a blue county didn’t help much.
Tack on the attempts to maintain high/high quality amenities in sparsely populated, low tax revenue areas, and you have a nice fat deficit for your small town compounding that problem.
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Don’t worry. This isn’t the only Trump plan that will tank the economy. I just wish the rest of us didn’t have to suffer because of all those idiots not paying attention.
The east coast is densely populated. California and large areas of the west coast is densely populated.
But Ohio to the Rockies? Uhhhh…there’s corn. We got corn. Do you like corn?
Yeah. There’s a reason nobody can name anything in Nebraska. Nobodys ever been there. Not even sure they have corn there.
I’m from Iowa and have been through Nebraska (no one stops in Nebraska) and I’m here to report: yes, they do have corn there.
The east coast has more big cities than those other places, but there are still. HUGE number of teeny-tiny dying towns all up and down the eastern seaboard.
You can find these places less than a hundred miles from NYC. Just drive to Scranton, go south on I-81, and get off at any exit.
Yeah but they don’t want those people. Now who are those people they don’t want? Brown people, black people, queer people, woke people, educated people, different people…
Do the immigrants actually settle there?
Yes, or nearby. They’re the ones working the farms.
We tried this before and it sucked then, too.
For whom? The people being deported? Or for the overall effectiveness of the plan?
I’m pretty sure there was a damaging mass deportation during the Great Depression that deported mostly american citizens to Mexico.
Operation Wetback. Yes, that’s what they called it
The Dark Ages truly are still here
Operation Wetback?
Well see ya later, Melania
Maybe that’s his plan. He doesn’t like the prenup and wants to marry that ghoul Loomer so he’s doing this to get her deported and the marriage annulled. Then he’ll use government money to put on a huge wedding and try to have a baby immediately. Everyone knows if you’re president when you have a kid the government is on the hook for support. Unlimited money!!!
It’s 12-D chess!!!1!
I seriously doubt Diaper Don even knows the rules to regular chess.
Spoken like a person who doesn’t even know how to get their kid unlimited money. You’re just mad that you can’t marry that perfect ball of plastic surgery and hatred.
I checked and it seems the one during Great Depression where it was 60% American was a different operation. Operation Wetback was 1954 and it says “some US citizens were deported” but doesn’t give numbers or percentages. For the Great Depression one it says
According to historian Francisco Balderrama, the U.S. deported over 1 million Mexican nationals, 60 percent of whom were U.S. citizens of Mexican descent, during the 1930s.
I must have mixed them up. Thanks
The program became a contentious issue in Mexico–United States relations, even though it originated from a request by the Mexican government to stop the illegal entry of Mexican laborers into the United States.
Huh
it also happened a lot before operation wetback.
Correct, in the 1930s, I saw someone post about it recently. I don’t know the motivation then, but the tactic will be used this time to target any group. Maybe even used for “other activities” when deportation becomes logistically difficult.
According to historian Francisco Balderrama, the U.S. deported over 1 million Mexican nationals, 60 percent of whom were U.S. citizens of Mexican descent, during the 1930s.
Well that went well
I feel like to the people doing the deporting this time, they wouldn’t care. The point is to be damaging.
Both.
The Wilson/Coolidge Era was nightmarish for immigrants, with a host of laws targeting East Asian migrants and displacing uncountable numbers of industrial workers particularly along the West Coast.
Eisenhower’s Operation Wetback set off a wave of police terror along the Gulf Coast, crippled the agricultural economy, and killed hundreds of migrants forced into transit.
The current border policy funnels hundreds of thousands of migrants through an inhospitality Texas/Arizona desert region that’s killed around 10k-50k people in the last decade.
None of it actually curbs immigration. It all just becomes a black market affair, affording employers a tool to depress wages and cartels an opportunity to press-gang border residents into cattle slavery.
Eisenhower’s Operation Wetback
Just in case you didn’t understand the motivation
chattel* slavery
Are they planning to finish that border wall? Looks like it’s about halfway complete.
Funneling migrants into the desert to die isn’t a bug, it’s a feature
The people being deported AND the people who weren’t.
How are people going to be selected for deportation? This feels eerily like what Hitler started doing with Jews.
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Well actually, folks tried to tell Harris stop supporting genocide or it’s Trump. You don’t blame voters, you blame the individual politician for not listening to the. Kamala is single handedly responsible for all of just as Hillary was.
No. You blame the voters for taking fascism over an imperfect candidate. If you didnt vote for Harris you are to blame and deserve everything that is going to happen.
False. You blame Democrats for choosing it. You’re thinking about it the way THEY want you to think about it. Divisively.
Blame the fucked electoral system that is completely flawed from a game theory perspective. Doesn’t matter the candidates, their positions, or which election cycle it is, the thing is buggy and broken as shit, and we’ve never bothered patching it.
I absolutely blame some voters. Especially the ones who refused to vote for a female leader even though they didn’t like Trump. Especially the ones who refused to vote at all because neither candidate was “perfect”.
I can slice it many ways, but none of those ways are, “Kamala is single handedly responsible”.
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When enough voters say end the genocide or bust, don’t be surprised when you bust after announcing continued support for genocide.
Politicians need to learn to listen to voters. Do not blame voters for this trump presidentency, blame the DNC.
Cut off the nose to spite the face is quite apt here.
So youd rather the candidate whod worsen the genocide and do one here? Great logic that
What did I just say?
Thanks for answering the question, excuse me if your position doesnt make a lick of sense. I would think harm reduction is a worthwhile goal if Gaza is such a travesty, but I guess nuking the whole place would be better apparently
Eh, enjoy your ended country and your genocide anyway.
I blame the DNC plenty, but I don’t blame them solely. There are many, many people that deserve blame.
Things aren’t black and white, they’re blurred lines of grey.
If the voters say they’re black and white it doesn’t matter. The politicians need to play ball, not the other way.
Or we just need to guillotine the politicians.
I’m sick of playing a game to cater to them, they need to cater to us.
If you’re thinking 'bout playing ball it don’t matter if they’re black or white, he hee.
She would’ve lost a ton of campaign funding if she did. It’s not that simple. Millionaire/billionaire interests also have a huge influence on the democratic party.
If you want to blame someone, blame the ultra-rich. They are the ones that have eroded democracy.
Or, i dunno, maybe the Republicans for going full fucking fascism? It’s always “Kamala this” or “DNC that” but it’s the REPUBLICANS THAT ARE THE FUCKING NAZIS. How is Kamala more responsible for Trump than Mitch McConnell…?
Imo she’s not. But the Republican party is just a more blatant tool of the ultra-rich. They are the real enemy.
No arguments from me. Wasn’t calling you out personally, just that rhetoric.
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No, it is your own ignorance as why you lost and while you’ll lose again in 4 years unless you sort yourself out and observe what happened. We tried telling you… and it was always, “c’mon just support the genocide, it’ll be worse if you don’t.” Then it drifted to… “Kamala and Joe don’t help fund genocide, it is the Republicans that make them do it. Kamala is trying to protect the Palestinians from being mass murdered.”
What response? I’ve never seen such a long comment with zero actual content.
…that’s long to you?
with zero actual content.
It’s a pretext. And can expand to anyone the state doesn’t want around.
Deportation doesn’t have to be immediate, you could end up in a cage indefinitely.
Portland Oregon was a sneak preview of what Trump will do (Sending federal resources where they are explicitly not wanted, and kidnapping citizens)
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/26/us/politics/denaturalization-immigrants-justice-department.html
Looks like they’re gonna strip citizenship from “terrorists, war criminals, sex offenders and other fraudsters who illegally obtained naturalization”
Whatever “fraudsters” means… Made a mistake on the citizen application? FRAUDSTER! DEPORTED! Do all of your documents have exactly the same name, middle name, and spelling? No?? IDENTITY THIEF! DEPORTED!
Let’s see how much talent they lose with that…
The NAZIs made Germany a slave labor nation-state.
That is what is happening here.
People know all about the concentration camps, but the amount of slave labor used in Nazi Germany was massive. In addition to working in factories they literally brought slaves from the Eastern Front to work in German households as maids, and dressed it up like they were happy to be there.
The incoming Trump administration doesn’t even know who they are planning to deport. The criteria right now could be literally anything from “these specific known individuals who are illegal aliens and also criminals” to “anyone Trump or ICE doesn’t like, including legal citizens who are political dissidents”.
If there was ever a time to own a gun in America, now is that time. Protect yourselves, people. The no-knock raids are just around the corner.
Well there’s this handy color wheel…
They start with a convenient group (immigrants, legal or not), and will proceed from there. Ask your history teacher about what happened in Germany after 1933, just replace the Jews with PoCs.
