PHOENIX (AP) – The 2024 presidential election is drawing an unusually robust field of independent, third party and long shot candidates hoping to capitalize on Americans’ ambivalence and frustration over a likely rematch between Democrat Joe Biden and Republican Donald Trump.
People want fine-tuned success when we’re still at broad-stroke level of change required.
This go-around, focus on
- all people are people
- everyone gets a vote
- armed demonstrations get Armed Response
- lies get lawsuits
- prisoners get at least Geneva Convention-level treatment
Later, we can work on the other things we need. You know, allowing for Texit if they build their walls, eminent-domaining prisons back for cruelty reasons, taxing the wealthy, all that. But now, let’s just get the absolute basics in.
Yeah, no one is voting-in a 3rd party. That’s just not ever going to be a thing, sorry. And if through some miracle, they somehow did get elected, what the fuck are they going to do? Not a fucking thing. In spite of Trump’s best efforts, presidents are not dictators. Neither Democrats nor Republicans are going to work with a president who isn’t part of their little clubs. They probably couldn’t get approval for a new brand of toilet paper in the white house bathrooms, let alone do anything meaningful.
lol if you think I’ve forgotten about the sewage-chugging fest that was the 45th presidency, you’re out of your fucking mind. I’m not thrilled with Biden’s age, but I am dramatically less fucking thrilled with the conservative’s current shitbag choice. Show me a 3rd party with eye-wateringly powerful support from Democrats, and I’ll certainly consider it. But until then, for as long as conservatives are mouth-frothingly determined to usher in fascism unheralded, I won’t be swayed.
weary means tired, dumbass
Im not supporting this political system anymore. Im voting for whoever is promising ranked choice voting, overturning citizens united, outlawing lobbying, and outlawing all elected officials from investing.
You’ll die before you see a political system that isn’t shit. Do your best to endure and then fix the shit-mess we have.
When is “and then”?
I can tell you that it’s not this upcoming presidential election, but I can’t tell you when it will be. Maybe never. Maybe 4 years. I think there’s a good chance that we see a candidate that supports overturning Citizens United AND supports outlawing elected officials from trading stocks within the next decade. Outlawing lobbying is probably the third most likely, but once we do that we’ll be almost on the right track. It’s going to take a large scale societal shift away from Capitalism for that… so maybe 40 years there. Ranked choice voting is something that will probably never happen in the USA without a full on restructure. Once that happens, it’s probably not the USA anymore.
Lmao, just deal with it until things get better. When will things get better? Never!
There are also other ways than just voting. Joining Unions for example and strikes. In Europe Unions have a massive influence on politics because they have the ability to strike and have huge membrrship numbers
Europe has ranked choice voting
I don’t know of any country in Europe that uses ranked choice voting. Where in Eutope?
my bad Im mixed up with proportional representation. Which would also be better than what we’ve got.
Primaries? Sure. In the general if you do that you are essentially voting for Trump and/or fascism. Third parties are spoilers 100% of the time until they can actually win. And none of them can right now.
Gee you know what would really help with that fucked up situation? Ranked choice voting.
Yeah no shit. The chance to get that from Republicans is somewhere below -1, close to hell probably.
Republicans or democrats. But yall will defend them and the two party system to the death
Our current system is shit… but it’s our system.
Like a diabetic munching on candy. “I shouldnt, but its what im doin”
You sound like a child throwing a fit because you didn’t get the Christmas present that was on your list to Santa.
Well then join a union and start organizing. That is an even better way to influence politics.
Alright since voting doesnt matter im gonna go ahead and vote for who i want
Don’t vote for a third party. That’s just voting for Trump with extra steps.
I think a lot of people thinking about voting third party are going to need reasons TO vote for someone, not reasons to not vote for the other guy. Telling them “it’s just voting for Trump” isn’t going to convince them.
And no, I’m not planning on voting third party. But finger-wagging won’t convince anyone already looking elsewhere.
In other words lots of people have an incredibly childish attitude about voting and are completely prepared to throw a little tantrum in the voting booth even if it means fascists get to take over the whole federal government. I’m becoming pretty convinced that people like that are just incapable of rational decision making.
the proof that biden isnt the guy isnt exactly his age, but its his age. its that he apparently lacks the awareness required to understand he needs to fucking retire already… that these ancient political monoliths need to go.
that lack of awareness is whhy he personally is not fit to be president.
then theres the whole reality of ‘democrats are conservatives’ now, so actual democratic voters have to hold their nose and vote non-fascist while the DNC pretends the party is still relevant to the common man somehow.
its been frustrating to watch for decades democrats fumble the ball at literally every play
Democrats have been winning important recent elections, no?
You’re not wrong about the democrats fumbling all the time; but at least they aren’t fascists.
